Parsons Green bomb explosion
Sep 18th 2017, 12:55 pm
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Re: Parsons Green bomb explosion
Outlawing private schools is infeasible and wrong for many reasons.
Requiring all children, all children, to attend state schools full time is not wrong and achieves the desired purposes.
Those who presently live at private boarding schools can still be sent each day to attend the local state schools full time. And, if necessary, bussed to distribute the schoolchildren so as to ensure that cliques of the privileged do not develop in state schools.
Requiring all children, all children, to attend state schools full time is not wrong and achieves the desired purposes.
Those who presently live at private boarding schools can still be sent each day to attend the local state schools full time. And, if necessary, bussed to distribute the schoolchildren so as to ensure that cliques of the privileged do not develop in state schools.
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Sep 18th 2017, 1:00 pm
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Simple, answer...I don't ! I'd like them to weaken there stranglehold over their flock. If families want to indoctrinate their kids in their spare time or weekends, that's ok (I'd prefer they didn't, but I am a liberal at heart).
I agree that most religions (Islam included) provide spiritual and community benefits to followers. But they also perpetuate irrationality. Look at that Rees Moggs (highly educated MP) in the UK, banging on in this day and age that life begins at the point of conception. These kind supernatural beliefs hinder society, and for no good reason. Why perpetuate medieval thought systems? I don't think it's an over reaction, I think it's modern thinking, and I'd like more people to get on board.
Look at the turnaround Western society has made on gay rights in the last 20 years, you could not have predicted such a rapid substantive change of philosophy. It's about tipping points. My faith is that we will get to that tipping point on religion within a few decades. Social media and globalisation is making the spread of ideas faster. New ethical dilemmas to do with AI will dwarf much of the simplistic wisdom of our desert dwelling forbears, and things will change.
I agree that most religions (Islam included) provide spiritual and community benefits to followers. But they also perpetuate irrationality. Look at that Rees Moggs (highly educated MP) in the UK, banging on in this day and age that life begins at the point of conception. These kind supernatural beliefs hinder society, and for no good reason. Why perpetuate medieval thought systems? I don't think it's an over reaction, I think it's modern thinking, and I'd like more people to get on board.
Look at the turnaround Western society has made on gay rights in the last 20 years, you could not have predicted such a rapid substantive change of philosophy. It's about tipping points. My faith is that we will get to that tipping point on religion within a few decades. Social media and globalisation is making the spread of ideas faster. New ethical dilemmas to do with AI will dwarf much of the simplistic wisdom of our desert dwelling forbears, and things will change.
Sep 18th 2017, 2:13 pm
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Re: Parsons Green bomb explosion
While an interesting topic for debate perhaps on another thread, it isn't religion that is the issue, but a certain ideological worldview within a certain religious/cultural/political/ideological group that is causing current and perhaps much greater problems in the future.
Sep 18th 2017, 4:19 pm
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Sep 18th 2017, 4:59 pm
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The general debate on religion is important because without it, many well meaning liberals make the false equivalency between benign CofE and toxic 'you know what'.
Sep 18th 2017, 6:55 pm
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Re: Parsons Green bomb explosion
Back in the 70's and 80's in N. Ireland, plenty of Catholics and Protestants blowing each other up in the name of religion. And all Christian too.
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Sep 19th 2017, 2:24 am
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Re: Parsons Green bomb explosion
I would think there are millions of Europeans who would question whether the multiculturalism agenda has been "voluntary".
I don't understand, how are Orthodox not "allowed" to integrate- they may not , but do seem to accept the need to respect and follow the laws of the country they are living in.
I don't understand, how are Orthodox not "allowed" to integrate- they may not , but do seem to accept the need to respect and follow the laws of the country they are living in.
But maybe you completely misread my post??
Sep 19th 2017, 3:01 am
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Not sure what you mean. Who said the Orthodox are not "allowed" to integrate? My point was of course they are allowed to integrate, it's a personal choice. Whereas African Americans in the Jim Crow era and black South Africans under apartheid were forced into the "separate development" programme.
But maybe you completely misread my post??
But maybe you completely misread my post??
