How tough is it to find a job before you're in the UK ?
#16
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Re: How tough is it to find a job before you're in the UK ?
Anyone who would consider Glasgow, Edinburgh, North-East will do fine in the Sheffield area.
A transfer would indeed be ideal.
#17
Re: How tough is it to find a job before you're in the UK ?
If you are alluding to my advice then the alternatives are either (i) use a local address, which you might not actually live at, or (ii) be "totally honest", and not even be considered by most potential employers. As it is perfectly normal to move house before, or after, taking a job, I personally don't consider it to be "dishonest" to use an address you don't live at as the address is merely a mode of communication, .... and if contacted it would, in any case make sense to say "I am moving to the area", but if you give an address in Ontario you're never going to even get the chance for that conversation in most cases.
Why as a potential employee would you put your self on the back foot so to speak before your even hired. It's no way to create the right impression in any job (politicians perhaps excluded think Andrea Leadsom) having to explain and excuse yourself?
If you have to ask the question will they find out then its probably not the right thing to be doing.
FAced with two candidates and the information that one has provided inaccurate information with an explanation I suggest most employers worth working for will choose the less complicated applicant. Bit like the getting a job in the US without a visa scenario, they come with less baggage and potential cost.
#18
Re: How tough is it to find a job before you're in the UK ?
No its not dishonest but it is deceptive at worst and disingenuous at best. As someone who recruits discovering information that doesn't match up with a candidate which requires further explanation almost always casts doubt on the integrity of the individual involved. I what to know those I work with are morally on an 'even keel.'
Why as a potential employee would you put your self on the back foot so to speak before your even hired. It's no way to create the right impression in any job (politicians perhaps excluded think Andrea Leadsom) having to explain and excuse yourself?
If you have to ask the question will they find out then its probably not the right thing to be doing.
FAced with two candidates and the information that one has provided inaccurate information with an explanation I suggest most employers worth working for will choose the less complicated applicant. Bit like the getting a job in the US without a visa scenario, they come with less baggage and potential cost.
Why as a potential employee would you put your self on the back foot so to speak before your even hired. It's no way to create the right impression in any job (politicians perhaps excluded think Andrea Leadsom) having to explain and excuse yourself?
If you have to ask the question will they find out then its probably not the right thing to be doing.
FAced with two candidates and the information that one has provided inaccurate information with an explanation I suggest most employers worth working for will choose the less complicated applicant. Bit like the getting a job in the US without a visa scenario, they come with less baggage and potential cost.
I'm definitely going to stick with the honest route, I've actually gotten two replies today with requests for telephone interviews and I have already explained to them my situation and timeline for moving back
#19
Re: How tough is it to find a job before you're in the UK ?
No its not dishonest but it is deceptive at worst and disingenuous at best. As someone who recruits discovering information that doesn't match up with a candidate which requires further explanation almost always casts doubt on the integrity of the individual involved. I what to know those I work with are morally on an 'even keel.'
Why as a potential employee would you put your self on the back foot so to speak before your even hired. It's no way to create the right impression in any job (politicians perhaps excluded think Andrea Leadsom) having to explain and excuse yourself?
If you have to ask the question will they find out then its probably not the right thing to be doing.
Faced with two candidates and the information that one has provided inaccurate information with an explanation I suggest most employers worth working for will choose the less complicated applicant. Bit like the getting a job in the US without a visa scenario, they come with less baggage and potential cost.
Why as a potential employee would you put your self on the back foot so to speak before your even hired. It's no way to create the right impression in any job (politicians perhaps excluded think Andrea Leadsom) having to explain and excuse yourself?
If you have to ask the question will they find out then its probably not the right thing to be doing.
Faced with two candidates and the information that one has provided inaccurate information with an explanation I suggest most employers worth working for will choose the less complicated applicant. Bit like the getting a job in the US without a visa scenario, they come with less baggage and potential cost.
Unless you have specialist/ niche skills, anyone applying from overseas for jobs with several "local" applicants will be ignored. It's up to each individual to decide what they think the relevant risk and potential reward is, and whether they are comfortable with each.
I merely present what I have seen done, and despite working for an employer with a high standard for ethics and low tolerance of dishonesty, it does applicants here no harm, and has landed some a job that they would otherwise not have been considered for.
#20
Re: How tough is it to find a job before you're in the UK ?
All valid points, but for many (most?) overseas candidates the choice is risk having to explain that or have your application completely ignored. .... Chance of a job v no chance of a job.
Unless you have specialist/ niche skills, anyone applying from overseas for jobs with several "local" applicants will be ignored. It's up to each individual to decide what they think the relevant risk and potential reward is, and whether they are comfortable with each.
I merely present what I have seen done, and despite working for an employer with a high standard for ethics and low tolerance of dishonesty, it does applicants here no harm, and has landed some a job that they would otherwise not have been considered for.
Unless you have specialist/ niche skills, anyone applying from overseas for jobs with several "local" applicants will be ignored. It's up to each individual to decide what they think the relevant risk and potential reward is, and whether they are comfortable with each.
I merely present what I have seen done, and despite working for an employer with a high standard for ethics and low tolerance of dishonesty, it does applicants here no harm, and has landed some a job that they would otherwise not have been considered for.
I would also add as alluded to earlier by another poster that if you position it right you can stand out and be somewhat of a novelty when applying from abroad which I think are good things. I suggest being upfront in your application and overtly stating that you are abroad and are available to Skype, video conference etc whatever they require (short of flying on short notice). The novelty of that will appeal to ,any employers and interviewers imho.
#21
Re: How tough is it to find a job before you're in the UK ?
All valid points, but for many (most?) overseas candidates the choice is risk having to explain that or have your application completely ignored. .... Chance of a job v no chance of a job.
Unless you have specialist/ niche skills, anyone applying from overseas for jobs with several "local" applicants will be ignored. It's up to each individual to decide what they think the relevant risk and potential reward is, and whether they are comfortable with each.
I merely present what I have seen done, and despite working for an employer with a high standard for ethics and low tolerance of dishonesty, it does applicants here no harm, and has landed some a job that they would otherwise not have been considered for.
Unless you have specialist/ niche skills, anyone applying from overseas for jobs with several "local" applicants will be ignored. It's up to each individual to decide what they think the relevant risk and potential reward is, and whether they are comfortable with each.
I merely present what I have seen done, and despite working for an employer with a high standard for ethics and low tolerance of dishonesty, it does applicants here no harm, and has landed some a job that they would otherwise not have been considered for.
#22
Re: How tough is it to find a job before you're in the UK ?
Glad to see this has sparked some healthy debating
Just an update, been firing out applications like a madman and woke up this morning to 5 missed phone calls and four emails. I've got two more potential employers who are keen to conduct skype interviews in the coming weeks and the employer that I mentioned earlier in the week wants me to call when I'm on the ground to arrange for a face to face interview with the role starting within a week after.
Thanks again for everyone's advice !
Just an update, been firing out applications like a madman and woke up this morning to 5 missed phone calls and four emails. I've got two more potential employers who are keen to conduct skype interviews in the coming weeks and the employer that I mentioned earlier in the week wants me to call when I'm on the ground to arrange for a face to face interview with the role starting within a week after.
Thanks again for everyone's advice !