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Old Apr 19th 2016, 7:20 pm
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Hi there,

I got one question I am very concern about now :

I read somewhere if you received lump sump pension before 55 years old, it would be regarded as non authorised pension by HMRC, so the tax would be up to 55% .

Is it true? I didn't know this rule before so had chosen to take lump sump pension after I left Canada but the pension was from my last job In Canada.

I have tried to find more information from Hmrc website but still not sure. Even ask HMRC helpline , the advisor couldn't help.

Does this lump sum pension from Canada is unauthorised pension? I received it late and have been uk tax resident . I read some people said it should be your income . Can anybody with this experience help clarify ?

Thanks
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Old Apr 20th 2016, 7:00 am
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Can you explain what you mean by a 'lump sum pension'?
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Originally Posted by Oops218
Hi there,

I got one question I am very concern about now :

I read somewhere if you received lump sump pension before 55 years old, it would be regarded as non authorised pension by HMRC, so the tax would be up to 55% .

Is it true? I didn't know this rule before so had chosen to take lump sump pension after I left Canada but the pension was from my last job In Canada.

I have tried to find more information from Hmrc website but still not sure. Even ask HMRC helpline , the advisor couldn't help.

Does this lump sum pension from Canada is unauthorised pension? I received it late and have been uk tax resident . I read some people said it should be your income . Can anybody with this experience help clarify ?

Thanks
As JonboyE explained to you in your post in the Canada Forum, this only applies to pensions based in the UK, not pensions paid out from Canada. Hopefully others can confirm that for you and put your mind at ease.

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Canadian pensions paid to UK residents are generally only taxed in Canada. Have a read of Article 17 of the UK/Canadian tax treaty.
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Old Apr 23rd 2016, 10:16 am
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My husbands two Canadian pensions are both taxed in the UK. I don't understand how Nun interprets Article 17:1 to mean otherwise:

'Periodic pension payments arising in a contracting state (i.e. Canada) and paid to a resident of the other contracting state (i.e. UK).... shall be taxed in the other contracting state (i.e. UK)'

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My one is lump sum , one off payment, it might be different from periodic pension
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Originally Posted by Editha
My husbands two Canadian pensions are both taxed in the UK. I don't understand how Nun interprets Article 17:1 to mean otherwise:
Yeah sorry, I wrote the opposite of what I intended. Periodic payments from a Canadian pension to a UK resident would normally only be taxable in the UK under Article 17 of the treaty.

However, a lump sum is not a "periodic payment" so I would imagine the Canadian early withdrawal penalty and withholding will apply as well as a large UK income tax bill in the year the income is taken.
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