Tr1boy

Why do you think it only annoys Scottish and Welsh? Why would an English person want to be lumped in the Scottish, Welsh if they don't want any part of England? this pi$$es me off no end, that only the Scots and Welsh think they have the right to be identified as independent.

Nu-Shooz

Not speaking for them, but maybe that's what they don't like. Being British will always come across as being English to alot of people.

Cape Blue

I'm not sure I understand what this means.

Most Scots and Welsh I know are happy to be part of Britain, they just find others using "England" when they should be using "Britain" annoying. If American's used "France" when they were talking about "Europe" I'm sure the English (amongst others) would find it tedious.

kporte

it is like an englishman constantly being referred to as welsh for example. i think all the sections of the uk have the right to their own identity but we are all british. they do not exist as seperate countries.

Tr1boy

What I mean is that the attitude from a lot of Scots and Welsh is, we're not British, we're Scottish, Welsh etc. Well, quelle surprise!, we're English and just as proud.

We're either all British, or we're all independent. I do not see why my identity should be associated with people that hate my country so much, when it seems there are many more Scots and Welsh living in England than vice versa.

Cape Blue

I don't know many (in fact I don't personally know any, but am aware they exist) Scottish or Welsh that hate England, its a nice hot button topic for the media to stoke once in a while.

I suspect that eventually the Scottish (and possibly the Welsh) will be convinced by basic nationalistic arguments to push for full independence. Being under the comfortable umbrella of the EU will help any doubters feel a little more comfortable about it.

Personally I think it will be to the detriment to all the three countries giving each a lower punch on the EU and global stage, but base nationalistic rhetoric is easy to spoon feed to the proles, and chips on the shoulders of all three countries are easy to leverage.

kporte

I don't think that a small minority of anti- english celts should be considered relevant. and we are all british but retain our identity imho. percentage of the populations aside, there are just as many english in scotland and wales. it is after all, just one country

Tr1boy

Agree, and the last thing I want is to sound like some BNP nutjob (I'm just your common or garden nutjob ). Just seems sometimes that the Scots and Welsh are allowed to shout their pride from the highest rooftops, but when it comes to being English we have to be 'British'.

Meh, I've confused myself now. Time for a Digestive

kporte

mostly it is people who put some misguided patriotism before common sense.
lot of scots think we will be a wealthy wee nation with independence, basing their logic on a few oil fields and the whisky industry, and assume that we contribute more financially pro rata. the reality is they get more per head spent on them by the government than the english. it should be the english that have the chip the fact is , ultimately we would all lose by the union breaking up imho

Tr1boy

Agreed

Jules Europe

As Fleafyflofum has said you will find stuff in your budget in these areas but going out of these areas will give you so much more for your money. Its kind of like soembody wanting to buy in North America and going to expensive areas like San Francisco, New York, Miami and Vancouver they either have the option of paying premium prices to be in one of the cities, or if they were to go further out they would get a lot more for their money but still be within reach of these cities. In case of Buckinghamshire you could pay to buy there, but by going to say Bedfordshire or Northamptonshire which are not too far away, you would get a lot more for your money and still be in a very good area as your budget would allow you to pick and choose within these areas. The Uk is unique in the fact that in about the space of about 15 mins you can travel between areas that have very differing property prices therefore its good to do your research

Fleaflyfloflum

Very true.

With that amount of money the worlds your oyster really.

Jules Europe

As I said before and everybody is saying you are over analyzing this racial aspect far too much and as I said before it is just so un-important, believe me nobody cares. Just go to the UK look around different areas, preferibly urban areas with ethnic diversity and that is most of the country, so that won`t be difficult. As for the areas, well I myself and others have suggested a lot for you to look at.

As for skin head culture I would have have said that would more likely to be found in England rather than Scotland. Skinheads and race hate tend to be in areas where the local population is in conflict with an ethnic minority and its normally issues such as job shortages, crime etc that are the root of these problems. To be fair the skin head culture in the UK is no different than say many other European countries, also you would probably never ever get to see a skin head anyway.

Jules Europe

I think its easy for Scots, Welsh and Irish to achieve their own national identity as they are largely Celts whereas the English have a lot more influences such as Anglo-Saxon, Viking (Nordic) and Norman. On top of all this the bulk of immigration that arrived in the UK from the 50`s onwards (Blacks and Asians) largely settled more in England. Also the constant immigration into the UK from other Asian and African countries since along with the current wave from Eastern Europe has now made a unique English identity more difficult to ascertain. Much like what is a unique Australian, Canadian or American identity? America was built up with immigrants from Ireland, Italy, African slaves etc and now they have the Latin American invasion and can Latins breed Point being that in 100 years what will the English identity be? As the majority of people there may well be tracing their ancestory to overseas locations.

When I first went to the UK to learn English many many years ago I had this illusion of men walking to work past Big Ben wearing bowler hats and carrying an umbrella etc First vision of London quickly changed all that I finally did get to see a couple of men wearing bowler hats though

Fleaflyfloflum

I cannot even remember how long ago it was i last saw a guy in a bowler hat! I think i might have been in my teens.... long time ago that was