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Old Mar 24th 2007, 6:09 am
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Originally Posted by GarethR
It wouldn't surprise me if they just swallow their pride and push the deadline back so that they can get the maximum height. Or maybe they'll fiddle it so that "completion" just means that it looks finished from the outside, and it'll take another year before the inside's done and people can start moving in
This just in...Construction company in Dubai fails to meet deadline.

And from what I hear, it's more than 2 months behind already. Remember, if you read the estimate in ET - treble it.
 
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And from what I hear, it's more than 2 months behind already. Remember, if you read the estimate in ET - treble it.
Trebling it would be very optimistic. Many projects are in their 18th month of delay. Take JBR:

NAME: Jumeirah Beach Residence
TOWERS: 36 residential, 4 HOTEL TOWERS
START DATE: 2004
END DATE: Dec 2005 ( stage 1)

Not yet handed over..........

Banks have a problem with buyers who have bought to let, since they cannot start their principle repayments until they rent it out.
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Trebling it would be very optimistic. Many projects are in their 18th month of delay. Take JBR:

NAME: Jumeirah Beach Residence
TOWERS: 36 residential, 4 HOTEL TOWERS
START DATE: 2004
END DATE: Dec 2005 ( stage 1)

Not yet handed over..........

Banks have a problem with buyers who have bought to let, since they cannot start their principle repayments until they rent it out.
I wouldn't buy here anyway but it must be mega frustrating if you are buying to move into it yourself, I think that is the reason that the springs and meadows sell well as they are FINISHED and people can move in. The next horror story will be Jumeirah Village.
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Old Mar 24th 2007, 10:20 am
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Banks have a problem with buyers who have bought to let, since they cannot start their principle repayments until they rent it out.
Banks will start finding ways around this. We know some people who bought on the Palm on one of those "don't start paying your mortgage until you move in" deals... the bank has now got tired of waiting and has insisted that they start making their mortgage payments, and they still don't have any idea when they might be able to move in. They're having to pay rent *and* mortgage each month, which leaves them about 1000 dhs to live on
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Originally Posted by GarethR
Banks will start finding ways around this. We know some people who bought on the Palm on one of those "don't start paying your mortgage until you move in" deals... the bank has now got tired of waiting and has insisted that they start making their mortgage payments, and they still don't have any idea when they might be able to move in. They're having to pay rent *and* mortgage each month, which leaves them about 1000 dhs to live on
which takes me back to how I have felt all along about this house buying lark, if you have got loads of cash and can afford to take the risk, go for it! good luck and all that, but if you don't invest somewhere more stable. One terrorist attack and the property market will collapse. And now that the nice people at halliburton are opening up their head office here, I think we just put ourselves on the map!!!
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Originally Posted by GarethR
Banks will start finding ways around this. We know some people who bought on the Palm on one of those "don't start paying your mortgage until you move in" deals... the bank has now got tired of waiting and has insisted that they start making their mortgage payments, and they still don't have any idea when they might be able to move in. They're having to pay rent *and* mortgage each month, which leaves them about 1000 dhs to live on
That's the problem with banks here - no scruples. Did you read the article recently? - apparently 40% of the inmates in Dubai jails are there because of bounced security cheques

Regulation is very weak and hardly enforced. If this was a properly regulated environment, believe me, errant banks would be paying billions in fines/refunds/punitive damages.......here however they get away with murder.
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That's the problem with banks here - no scruples. Did you read the article recently? - apparently 40% of the inmates in Dubai jails are there because of bounced security cheques

Regulation is very weak and hardly enforced. If this was a properly regulated environment, believe me, errant banks would be paying billions in fines/refunds/punitive damages.......here however they get away with murder.
there was a guy on the radio the other day saying that these banks are going to be fined for giving loans out that aren't secured. He also mentioned the amount of people in jail for financial offences.
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That's the problem with banks here - no scruples
That's the problem with banks *everywhere*, I'm afraid... but as you say, in other countries there's a degree of regulation and consumer protection. Here there's squat.
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That's the problem with banks *everywhere*, I'm afraid... but as you say, in other countries there's a degree of regulation and consumer protection. Here there's squat.
i honestly didn't realise that, I thought that if you got a bank loan you had to provide some sort of security. We have one for the car, but the car is their's until we pay it off. Is it not the same with the mortgages?
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i honestly didn't realise that, I thought that if you got a bank loan you had to provide some sort of security. We have one for the car, but the car is their's until we pay it off. Is it not the same with the mortgages?

Personal loans are secured by a salary transfer and end of service benefits - hence relatively lower interest rates - 10-12%. Citi/HSBC offer unsecured loans - thinks it's 22-24% p.a......sub prime lending.
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Personal loans are secured by a salary transfer and end of service benefits - hence relatively lower interest rates - 10-12%. Citi/HSBC offer unsecured loans - thinks it's 22-24% p.a......sub prime lending.
that's extortionate!
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that's extortionate!
Ha Ha, wait till you hear how much they've upped the maintenance fees in the Green Community ...............


Lake Apartments at Green Community. Maintenance fees for a three-bedroom house will rise from Dh10,800 to Dh30,000. And apparently the company are claiming that they are still subsidising the residents - so more rises in future.


http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Society/10113772.html
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Ha Ha, wait till you hear how much they've upped the maintenance fees in the Green Community ...............


Lake Apartments at Green Community. Maintenance fees for a three-bedroom house will rise from Dh10,800 to Dh30,000. And apparently the company are claiming that they are still subsidising the residents - so more rises in future.


http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Society/10113772.html
Just another example of costs rising. People are going to get driven away by all of this. Why can't they see that?
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Just another example of costs rising. People are going to get driven away by all of this. Why can't they see that?
LJ, I expect the cost of maintaining these ‘green’ communities will keep rising significantly in the near future water is a very dear (we are being subsidised significantly btw) commodity here. Similarly, the amount of power consumed here is not funny (thanks to the energy inefficient buildings).

Property maintenance costs were initially being subsidised (or at least so they claim) – in order to attract buyers. They don’t need to do that anymore – they probably figure that since owners are reaping huge profits, they might as well start squeezing them. Now the question is, with the rent caps, will the owners be able to pass it on to tenants?
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Now there's a surprise...

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Rea.../10113744.html
 


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