Go Back   British Expats / Living & Moving Abroad / Middle East

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 4:28 am   #1
jim.d 
Just Joined
 
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 4
jim.d is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Background checks.

Hello,

I am a British national and have been offered work in Saudi on MOD bases for a UK company.

I have a police record around 28-30 years ago for being in a stolen vehicle and drunk and disorderly for both I am truly ashamed. Both were fines and not custodial.
I am in 2 minds whether to admit it and lose the job or just keep quiet.
I am guessing given the position in on MOD bases they will check my past but would like to be working again after a period out of work.

Will my visa application be rejected even after this long period?
Would a company still apply for a visa on my behalf or just dismiss it out of hand?.. and so it may be better to say for my own personal reasons i will not take the position?


Thank you for any feedback.
Kind Regards.

Last edited by jim.d; Nov 2nd 2017 at 4:33 am. Reason: More info
jim.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 5:44 am   #2
Millhouse is not a meme
 
Millhouse's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Disneyland, Dubai
Posts: 13,327
Millhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Background checks.

Seems you have nothing to gain by disclosing it.

If you disclose you fear that you won't get the job. If you don't disclose they may not find it or may not care about it. In this event they will probably ask you about it anyway.

Worst case is you don't disclose and you don't get it. Which would probably be the same outcome as if you disclose it.
Millhouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 6:07 am   #3
jim.d 
Just Joined
 
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 4
jim.d is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Background checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Millhouse View Post
Seems you have nothing to gain by disclosing it.

If you disclose you fear that you won't get the job. If you don't disclose they may not find it or may not care about it. In this event they will probably ask you about it anyway.

Worst case is you don't disclose and you don't get it. Which would probably be the same outcome as if you disclose it.
Thank you Millhouse,

I have received the company form and it is a question asked with a note saying it may affect your visa at a later date.
I have read information on the internet and some say *just keep quiet* while another said *Saudi is last place I would like to be arrested for not disclosing it*
While it is my final decision, i was just hoping for another opinion from someone who has more experience.

Thank you again.

Last edited by jim.d; Nov 2nd 2017 at 6:18 am.
jim.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 6:18 am   #4
Millhouse is not a meme
 
Millhouse's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Disneyland, Dubai
Posts: 13,327
Millhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Background checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jim.d View Post
Thank you Millhouse,

I have received the company form and it is a question asked with a note saying it may affect your visa at a later date.
I have read information on the internet and some say *just keep quiet* while another said *Saudi is last place I would like to be arrested for not disclosing it*
While it is my final decision, i was just hoping for another opinion from someone who has more experience.

Thank you again.
Unlikely they would arrest you. You just won't get a visa. There is no appeal and you just have to leave.
Millhouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 6:42 am   #5
jim.d 
Just Joined
 
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 4
jim.d is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Background checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Millhouse View Post
Unlikely they would arrest you. You just won't get a visa. There is no appeal and you just have to leave.
Thank you again, so the company would lose out as i understand it... on flights etc. I could really let that knowingly happen. I would lose my reputation also.

Last question, do you know the time from arriving into Saudi to processing the visa just out of interest?

Thank you.
jim.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 6:54 am   #6
Millhouse is not a meme
 
Millhouse's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Disneyland, Dubai
Posts: 13,327
Millhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond reputeMillhouse has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Background checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jim.d View Post
Thank you again, so the company would lose out as i understand it... on flights etc. I could really let that knowingly happen. I would lose my reputation also.

Last question, do you know the time from arriving into Saudi to processing the visa just out of interest?

Thank you.
My guess is the security check is done before your first flight is even booked.
Millhouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 7:40 am   #7
Forum Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Location: Bahrain
Posts: 50
Mammabear is just really niceMammabear is just really niceMammabear is just really niceMammabear is just really niceMammabear is just really niceMammabear is just really niceMammabear is just really niceMammabear is just really nice
Default Re: Background checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Millhouse View Post
My guess is the security check is done before your first flight is even booked.
Will the company not ask for a police check? The ACRO could perhaps show a 'No Live Trace' in the report?
Best bet would be to apply for your ACRO now, then at least you'll know what shows up on it?
Mammabear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 8:09 am   #8
Wannabe Cycling God
 
TheShed's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Palm Jumeriah
Posts: 842
TheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Background checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Millhouse View Post
My guess is the security check is done before your first flight is even booked.
What Millhouse said. The saudi working visa will be processed whilst you are still in the UK (or wherever) and once approved, you go to the Embassy to have it stamped in your passport. Last time I did this, all checks had been completed except for the medical which happens in country.

If its going to happen, you would be rejected before you left for Saudi.
__________________
British by birth, English by the grace of God
TheShed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 8:29 am   #9
jim.d 
Just Joined
 
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 4
jim.d is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Background checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheShed View Post
What Millhouse said. The saudi working visa will be processed whilst you are still in the UK (or wherever) and once approved, you go to the Embassy to have it stamped in your passport. Last time I did this, all checks had been completed except for the medical which happens in country.

If its going to happen, you would be rejected before you left for Saudi.
Thank you very much, so Visa/permit to work must be issued before any travel.
I must have misunderstood what was said to me by their HR.

Thanks again.
jim.d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 10:24 am   #10
Wannabe Cycling God
 
TheShed's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Palm Jumeriah
Posts: 842
TheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond reputeTheShed has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Background checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jim.d View Post
Thank you very much, so Visa/permit to work must be issued before any travel.
I must have misunderstood what was said to me by their HR.

Thanks again.
Absolutely. There is no entry to Saudi without a visa pre-stamped in the passport.
__________________
British by birth, English by the grace of God
TheShed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 2nd 2017, 10:24 am   #11
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Location: Abu Dhabi since Jan 2011
Posts: 456
archie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud ofarchie159 has much to be proud of
Default Re: Background checks.

Assuming Saudi has a similar approach to the UAE (which it might not - never assume anything over here), then at some stage you will need to produce a UK police clearance certificate to get cleared to work on defence related bases.
Also, I assume you mean you will be working on Saudi MoD bases, not one of the British MoD areas within them? If the latter, then you might well have other British security clearances required.
archie159 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   British Expats / Living & Moving Abroad / Middle East


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT. The time now is 1:10 pm.


Powered by vBulletin: ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 1999-2010 BritishExpats.com