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Old Dec 14th 2017, 10:53 am
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In the case of the horrific arson attack on that home in Manchester, I see that the young couple charged both answered "white British" when asked to confirm names and nationality.

Does this mean that racism is among their apparent many issues - going by comments from people in the neighbourhood - or have they 'innocently' answered in the way they would to ethnic sampling questions that accompany some applications for this that and the other?
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I haven't completed a UK census for a long time, but when I did, I do remember white British being an option.

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I would that say they were ignorant racists but describing yourself as White British admits that you do t have to be white to be a Briton. Which is entirely true.
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Originally Posted by Danny B
I haven't completed a UK census for a long time, but when I did, I do remember white British being an option
Yes. I also remember our local council having these options - anonymously - but sent out with applications in the 90s. My employer (DWP) did one for all staff with the unions agreeing to cooperate.

I'm pretty sure I came across one in the last couple years too and I can only think that was on the electoral registration forms in readiness for the referendum.

I can imagine that if it's something that goes with anything to do with government - local or national - that one might answer similarly in other official situations without it having racist overtones. So long as one is white and British of course.

I can remember when I was very young filling in a job application and alongside Religion: I put Methodist for no other reason than the local church where I went to Sunday school was a Methodist one.

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Didn't white people used to be caucasian? Is it not a thing anymore?
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Originally Posted by DandNHill
Didn't white people used to be caucasian? Is it not a thing anymore?
That's rather an Americanism.
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That's rather an Americanism.
Really? I used to see it often in England but have never come across it in Canada. Weird.
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Originally Posted by Danny B
I haven't completed a UK census for a long time, but when I did, I do remember white British being an option.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpo...011-census.png

I have see similar forms for employment where "White British" was one of the choices.
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Originally Posted by DandNHill
Really? I used to see it often in England but have never come across it in Canada. Weird.
I've not seen it on anything in Canada but I came across it in the UK - on American TV
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
I've not seen it on anything in Canada but I came across it in the UK - on American TV
That's weird I could have sworn that it was on official forms that I had seen that... just plain weird...
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Originally Posted by DandNHill
Didn't white people used to be caucasian? Is it not a thing anymore?
The British police used to use IC codes when I was a cadet.

IC1 White - North European
IC2 White - South European
IC3 Black
IC4 Asian
IC5 Chinese, Japanese, or other South East Asian
IC6 Arabic or North African
IC9 Unknown

Confusing enough for you now?
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White British (+ options in England and Wales to choose White English, Scottish, Welsh and N Irish) were ethnic descriptors in the 2011 UK Census. In Scotland, the additional categories were White Scottish and Other White British.

The information is supposed to be used for demographic studies and purposes.
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Originally Posted by MartynK
The information is supposed to be used for demographic studies and purposes.
Yes, that's why the unions okay'd the one I mentioned at work.

When the council in Bristol started it, it was for the same thing, making sure services reached people appropriately.

The question though is did these charged people answer white British because that's what they are and they were used to answering that or are they Britain First types or whatever the latest title White British racists call themselves and they are making a statement?
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Originally Posted by BristolUK

The question though is did these charged people answer white British because that's what they are and they were used to answering that or are they Britain First types or whatever the latest title White British racists call themselves and they are making a statement?
Post a photo of them and I will answer it for you

Why anyone would be stupid enough to answer a face to face question on your nationality with 'white' is beyond me.

If you were born in Britain, your nationality is British. It don't matter what damn colour you are.
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Old Dec 14th 2017, 9:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Danny B
Post a photo of them and I will answer it for you
Oh they're white (depending on the picture she could be mixed race, I suppose). So were the victims. No suggestion a racist crime, more like a family feud according to the gossip.

Why anyone would be stupid enough to answer a face to face question on your nationality with 'white' is beyond me.
I don't think it takes stupidity. Did it take stupidity for a naive and young me to say I was Methodist in the circumstances I described?

If you were born in Britain, your nationality is British. It don't matter what damn colour you are.
Unless you want to make a point of it

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