Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Jan 19th 2018, 6:50 am
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Let's face it, marmite tastes awful.
I'm sitting in the restaurant at the end of the universe. The waiter approaches, nose in the air.
'Would Sir like the marmite sandwich with sparkly water or the chicken vindaloo with pupadoms, lime pickle and ice cold lager?'
A difficult question when the end of the universe is around the corner, but as it's to be my last meal, ever, I decide to feed the marmite sandwich to the edible cow on the trolley and tuck into the vindaloo.
But, as usual the end of the universe is delayed because a tree's fallen on one of BC Hydro's power cables and there's a power outage. I know I should have read the latest Tripadvisor review because the curry was just five chillis too hot, two chillis above the lager recovery limit and even then, with a mouth feeling as though beezibub himself was holding a house warming party on my tougue and using lips to light the way, the marmite sandwich just couldn't arouse even one incinerated taste bud. The cow was welcome to it.
I'm sitting in the restaurant at the end of the universe. The waiter approaches, nose in the air.
'Would Sir like the marmite sandwich with sparkly water or the chicken vindaloo with pupadoms, lime pickle and ice cold lager?'
A difficult question when the end of the universe is around the corner, but as it's to be my last meal, ever, I decide to feed the marmite sandwich to the edible cow on the trolley and tuck into the vindaloo.
But, as usual the end of the universe is delayed because a tree's fallen on one of BC Hydro's power cables and there's a power outage. I know I should have read the latest Tripadvisor review because the curry was just five chillis too hot, two chillis above the lager recovery limit and even then, with a mouth feeling as though beezibub himself was holding a house warming party on my tougue and using lips to light the way, the marmite sandwich just couldn't arouse even one incinerated taste bud. The cow was welcome to it.
Jan 19th 2018, 7:50 am
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Nope. Not a supplement, Marmite is a delicacy.
Try reading the guardian; especially comments below articles. It's like IT columns where everyone tells you you'd be better using Linux
Be honest though, go to a restaurant (even a steakhouse) and there will be vegetarian options. Are there meat options in vegetarian restaurants?
The veggie/vegan restaurants I've been too are often just vegan biased and still offer non-vegan options. Same is true of the cafes around here, although everyone visits one for the cakes, and raw cakes are quite popular here.
Marmite has always been a yeast extract - definitely vegan. Marmite down under is not vegemite though - completely different tastes.
Most wines would not be vegan although there are some out there, and not all wines are vegetarian. This is due to the filtering process (finings) - common options are egg powder, milk powder or fish bones (isinglass).
Beers and spirits though are usually okay, although obviously not things like Baileys, Kahlua, etc. I do remember reading that Baileys do have a vegan option though using almond milk possibly.
Jan 19th 2018, 7:56 am
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Marmite - food of the Gods!
Jan 19th 2018, 11:43 am
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Jan 19th 2018, 11:51 am
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Nope. Two different products. As different to each other as banana ice cream and vanilla ice cream.
Jan 19th 2018, 1:45 pm
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
I'm omnivorous, but probably spend a "veggie day" unintentionally at least twice a week, with toast or cereal for breakfast, soup and a sandwich for lunch, and maybe a tomato-based sauce with pasta for supper. It's not a conscious effort to eat less meat, but just the way the domestic menu planning works out. I would miss bacon, sausages and steak - not that I eat a huge amount of any of them - if I were to stop eating meat, but I certainly wouldn't find it a huge challenge to produce interesting and balanced meals without buying pre-prepared packaged processed "meat substitute" crap. And I'm sure I'd survive just as healthily (possibly moreso) than I am now.
I couldn't go vegan, though. I eat too much dairy and eggs, don't care to avoid wearing leather and wool, and certainly don't care enough to have to check the label on my wine and beer to see if it's used animal parts in the making.
IMX there are two groups of vegans - there are those who have made the decision to go vegan for their own good reasons (ethical, health-related, or otherwise) and just quietly get on with it. Those, I am happy for and wish all the best. On the other hand, there are those (and I've unfriended a couple of people on FB as a result) who take the whole thing as some sort of proselytizing mission and go on and on and on and on about how wonderful the "vegan lifestyle" is. They're as bad as, or sometimes worse than, the God botherers, in my book.
One parting comment: somebody above mentioned that if they had to kill and prepare their own meat, they wouldn't. I'm the opposite - I have always thought that I won't eat anything that I wouldn't in extremis be prepared to kill, dress and prepare myself. I've butchered a sheep, a couple of pigs, a deer and many-and-various smaller animals (chicken, geese, rabbits, pheasant, pigeon, etc) and don't have a problem with that. In fact, I have much more of a problem with people, like my own dear sister, who approach meat with the attitude that it comes in a nice polystyrene package from Sainsbury's, and can't connect it with the cute little lambs or baby calves running around in the fields.
I couldn't go vegan, though. I eat too much dairy and eggs, don't care to avoid wearing leather and wool, and certainly don't care enough to have to check the label on my wine and beer to see if it's used animal parts in the making.
IMX there are two groups of vegans - there are those who have made the decision to go vegan for their own good reasons (ethical, health-related, or otherwise) and just quietly get on with it. Those, I am happy for and wish all the best. On the other hand, there are those (and I've unfriended a couple of people on FB as a result) who take the whole thing as some sort of proselytizing mission and go on and on and on and on about how wonderful the "vegan lifestyle" is. They're as bad as, or sometimes worse than, the God botherers, in my book.
One parting comment: somebody above mentioned that if they had to kill and prepare their own meat, they wouldn't. I'm the opposite - I have always thought that I won't eat anything that I wouldn't in extremis be prepared to kill, dress and prepare myself. I've butchered a sheep, a couple of pigs, a deer and many-and-various smaller animals (chicken, geese, rabbits, pheasant, pigeon, etc) and don't have a problem with that. In fact, I have much more of a problem with people, like my own dear sister, who approach meat with the attitude that it comes in a nice polystyrene package from Sainsbury's, and can't connect it with the cute little lambs or baby calves running around in the fields.
Jan 19th 2018, 2:12 pm
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
I'm vegan - have been for 30 years now, and was vegetarian for about 6 years before that.
But I never made that decision for my kids - let alone anyone else. They've all had a variety of foods although perhaps not always the best meat sources since I can't bring myself to come some things. I don't have to worry now though as they are all adults.
I find that there are many more recipes and options available now than there were 30 years ago - I remember TVP and Sosmix, amongst other substitutes. I've got better at cooking a good variety of foods, and don't regularly take supplements (unless marmite counts
) although I will do on occasion when I know I haven't eaten well enough, or have been ill (which doesn't really happen much).
One thing I find funny, in an annoying sense, is the vegan jokes and questioning. By all accounts, as a vegan I should be telling you all of the damage you do eating meat, preaching and trying to convert you. The reality is that the reverse almost always occurs - everyone else trying to persuade me that I need a good steak, waving various foods at me, etc.
And no - not a stick insect, not anaemic, not a boring diet, etc, etc.
But I never made that decision for my kids - let alone anyone else. They've all had a variety of foods although perhaps not always the best meat sources since I can't bring myself to come some things. I don't have to worry now though as they are all adults.
I find that there are many more recipes and options available now than there were 30 years ago - I remember TVP and Sosmix, amongst other substitutes. I've got better at cooking a good variety of foods, and don't regularly take supplements (unless marmite counts
) although I will do on occasion when I know I haven't eaten well enough, or have been ill (which doesn't really happen much).One thing I find funny, in an annoying sense, is the vegan jokes and questioning. By all accounts, as a vegan I should be telling you all of the damage you do eating meat, preaching and trying to convert you. The reality is that the reverse almost always occurs - everyone else trying to persuade me that I need a good steak, waving various foods at me, etc.
And no - not a stick insect, not anaemic, not a boring diet, etc, etc.
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Jan 19th 2018, 3:29 pm
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
It gets tiring. People get defensive and often retaliate because ultimately it questions their choice and so they feel that they have to reaffirm their position; however, this often ends in either hateful remarks or a very poor understanding of nutrition... which can be rather amusing. That being said I don't agree with aggressiveness on either side of the fence. The science and evidence is mounting that consuming animal products is both detrimental to human health and the environment, whether someone cares about that is another matter entirely. You can be an unhealthy vegan and a healthy meat eater. Neither is mutually conclusive.
Science - and here I am referring to science as reported by media wranglers - will come up with whatever fad their media bosses currently consider to be newsworthy.
IMO omnivores should not be knocking vegetarians or vegans and vice versa. It's a personal choice, and to re-state, there are no rules.
It's possible that once in a while I will eat - and enjoy - a vegan meal, but that's not pre-thought, it just happens.
I remain an omnivore, a part-time vegetarian and occasional vegan; I do not and would not inflict my dietary opinions on anyone.
With one small exception...
Spoiler:
Jan 19th 2018, 6:04 pm
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
I'm omnivorous, but probably spend a "veggie day" unintentionally at least twice a week, with toast or cereal for breakfast, soup and a sandwich for lunch, and maybe a tomato-based sauce with pasta for supper. It's not a conscious effort to eat less meat, but just the way the domestic menu planning works out. I would miss bacon, sausages and steak - not that I eat a huge amount of any of them - if I were to stop eating meat, but I certainly wouldn't find it a huge challenge to produce interesting and balanced meals without buying pre-prepared packaged processed "meat substitute" crap. And I'm sure I'd survive just as healthily (possibly moreso) than I am now.
I couldn't go vegan, though. I eat too much dairy and eggs, don't care to avoid wearing leather and wool, and certainly don't care enough to have to check the label on my wine and beer to see if it's used animal parts in the making.
IMX there are two groups of vegans - there are those who have made the decision to go vegan for their own good reasons (ethical, health-related, or otherwise) and just quietly get on with it. Those, I am happy for and wish all the best. On the other hand, there are those (and I've unfriended a couple of people on FB as a result) who take the whole thing as some sort of proselytizing mission and go on and on and on and on about how wonderful the "vegan lifestyle" is. They're as bad as, or sometimes worse than, the God botherers, in my book.
One parting comment: somebody above mentioned that if they had to kill and prepare their own meat, they wouldn't. I'm the opposite - I have always thought that I won't eat anything that I wouldn't in extremis be prepared to kill, dress and prepare myself. I've butchered a sheep, a couple of pigs, a deer and many-and-various smaller animals (chicken, geese, rabbits, pheasant, pigeon, etc) and don't have a problem with that. In fact, I have much more of a problem with people, like my own dear sister, who approach meat with the attitude that it comes in a nice polystyrene package from Sainsbury's, and can't connect it with the cute little lambs or baby calves running around in the fields.
I couldn't go vegan, though. I eat too much dairy and eggs, don't care to avoid wearing leather and wool, and certainly don't care enough to have to check the label on my wine and beer to see if it's used animal parts in the making.
IMX there are two groups of vegans - there are those who have made the decision to go vegan for their own good reasons (ethical, health-related, or otherwise) and just quietly get on with it. Those, I am happy for and wish all the best. On the other hand, there are those (and I've unfriended a couple of people on FB as a result) who take the whole thing as some sort of proselytizing mission and go on and on and on and on about how wonderful the "vegan lifestyle" is. They're as bad as, or sometimes worse than, the God botherers, in my book.
One parting comment: somebody above mentioned that if they had to kill and prepare their own meat, they wouldn't. I'm the opposite - I have always thought that I won't eat anything that I wouldn't in extremis be prepared to kill, dress and prepare myself. I've butchered a sheep, a couple of pigs, a deer and many-and-various smaller animals (chicken, geese, rabbits, pheasant, pigeon, etc) and don't have a problem with that. In fact, I have much more of a problem with people, like my own dear sister, who approach meat with the attitude that it comes in a nice polystyrene package from Sainsbury's, and can't connect it with the cute little lambs or baby calves running around in the fields.
I have no problem with people choosing to not eat or wear animals. I do get racked off when they preach about it and you find them a few months later eating a bacon sarnie.
My brother is a dairy farmer. Years ago he had two adorable lambs in an enclosure. I asked him their names.
"Lunch" and "Dinner".
They were looked after very well but their destiny was clear.
Funnily enough, he refuses to eat veal, on principle.
Jan 19th 2018, 7:17 pm
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Jan 19th 2018, 8:02 pm
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Quite.
I have no problem with people choosing to not eat or wear animals. I do get racked off when they preach about it and you find them a few months later eating a bacon sarnie.
My brother is a dairy farmer. Years ago he had two adorable lambs in an enclosure. I asked him their names.
"Lunch" and "Dinner".
They were looked after very well but their destiny was clear.
Funnily enough, he refuses to eat veal, on principle.
I have no problem with people choosing to not eat or wear animals. I do get racked off when they preach about it and you find them a few months later eating a bacon sarnie.
My brother is a dairy farmer. Years ago he had two adorable lambs in an enclosure. I asked him their names.
"Lunch" and "Dinner".
They were looked after very well but their destiny was clear.
Funnily enough, he refuses to eat veal, on principle.
Veal is a little different though because of the way it is produced.
I enjoy meat but its important to me to know that the animal is slaughtered as humanely and quickly as possible, thats why I have an issue with Halal meat, because of the way the animal is slaughtered, its very barbaric for this day and age.
Jan 19th 2018, 8:09 pm
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Veal is a little different though because of the way it is produced.
I enjoy meat but its important to me to know that the animal is slaughtered as humanely and quickly as possible, thats why I have an issue with Halal meat, because of the way the animal is slaughtered, its very barbaric for this day and age.
I enjoy meat but its important to me to know that the animal is slaughtered as humanely and quickly as possible, thats why I have an issue with Halal meat, because of the way the animal is slaughtered, its very barbaric for this day and age.
PS did you ever contact my friend the friendly farmer
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Jan 19th 2018, 8:16 pm
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Re: Vegetarian or Vegan. Thoughts?
Yeah, kosher meat is slaughtered the same way. If you want to be put off eating meat then go to the cattle market at Hoards on a Tuesday. Watch the sales pens And make sure you go behind to see and hear them in their stalls.
PS did you ever contact my friend the friendly farmer
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PS did you ever contact my friend the friendly farmer
.
No I haven't contacted the friendly farmer yet, but I will, I have one or two lamb recipes now that I am keen to try. I have a friend of mine thats interested too.
