USA refugees Huh?
Aug 25th 2017, 4:16 pm
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Aug 25th 2017, 9:19 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Now granted they are given a removal order that is not enforceable if eligible to make a refugee claim. If they get a positive decision the removal order is quashed and then they can apply for PR status and then apply to have family members sponsored.
If they get a negative decision they can appeal the decision and the removal order is stayed until the appeal is heard.
So bearing in mind with a backlog occurring it could be years before they are removed. There is no Administrative Deferral of Removal to Haiti but there is one for Somalia and we have lots of those also crossing but not in Quebec. So those cannot be removed unless they are serious criminals with convictions in or outside of Canada or deemed to be a security risk or have committed war crimes or human rights violations.
Now take a deep breath and smile.
Aug 25th 2017, 9:27 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
@FL They can apply to sponsor family ? How can that be so grr! when me as a PR, now a citizen cannot sponsor my own son and family who BTW are not dependents
Aug 25th 2017, 9:35 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Its not unusual for a married Somali to have 3 + children under 19 which will soon rise to 22 yrs old.
Aug 25th 2017, 10:35 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Issues like this will continue to happen until there is serious reform of the Asylum system as currently it used far too often simply as a way to avoid the normal immigration system.
You could start by denying asylum to anyone who voluntarily leaves a safe country or safe area. Far too often you hear of people who have travelled through dozens on safe countries to make a claim in their country of choice.
You could start by denying asylum to anyone who voluntarily leaves a safe country or safe area. Far too often you hear of people who have travelled through dozens on safe countries to make a claim in their country of choice.
Aug 25th 2017, 11:01 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
The consequence of not getting this crisis under control is potentially a wholesale collapse in Canada's generally welcoming attitude to immigrants which I for one wouldn't like to see.
Back in March there were polls showing half of Canadians supported immediate deportation of illegal border crossers with 25% saying immigration control was a leading national issue.
I bet these figures have risen substantially since.
The Liberals are already fearful that the crisis will effect their electoral chances at the next election especially in Quebec.
Aug 26th 2017, 2:09 am
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
The CBC and Global have done articles talking about routes many migrants/asylum seekers have taken to get to Canada.
The consequence of not getting this crisis under control is potentially a wholesale collapse in Canada's generally welcoming attitude to immigrants which I for one wouldn't like to see.
Back in March there were polls showing half of Canadians supported immediate deportation of illegal border crossers with 25% saying immigration control was a leading national issue.
I bet these figures have risen substantially since.
The Liberals are already fearful that the crisis will effect their electoral chances at the next election especially in Quebec.
The consequence of not getting this crisis under control is potentially a wholesale collapse in Canada's generally welcoming attitude to immigrants which I for one wouldn't like to see.
Back in March there were polls showing half of Canadians supported immediate deportation of illegal border crossers with 25% saying immigration control was a leading national issue.
I bet these figures have risen substantially since.
The Liberals are already fearful that the crisis will effect their electoral chances at the next election especially in Quebec.
As an example there's an American woman in town whose just been removed to the USA with her Canadian born kids. She's only ever been here as a visitor so has overstayed by a fair few years. Anyway locals are saying this isn't fair. The same locals are also complaining about Haitians getting welfare.
So tolerant these Canadians
Aug 26th 2017, 2:41 am
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
They probably only mean non white illegal border crossers.
As an example there's an American woman in town whose just been removed to the USA with her Canadian born kids. She's only ever been here as a visitor so has overstayed by a fair few years. Anyway locals are saying this isn't fair. The same locals are also complaining about Haitians getting welfare.
So tolerant these Canadians
As an example there's an American woman in town whose just been removed to the USA with her Canadian born kids. She's only ever been here as a visitor so has overstayed by a fair few years. Anyway locals are saying this isn't fair. The same locals are also complaining about Haitians getting welfare.
So tolerant these Canadians
Aug 26th 2017, 2:52 am
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
She is illegal then she would have known that one day the authorities would have noticed her one day, having kids is not a replacement for a visa
Aug 26th 2017, 1:21 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Hundreds of thousands of "Haitians" who are fleeing from the "hurricane." Look here - no identity documents and no way to prove that!
The vast majority will be non-Haitians who have never been in a hurricane and are abusing the process - but by "not having and documents," the burden shifts to the Canadian Government to prove they AREN'T Haitians fleeing a 7-year-old hurricane, and that can take years.
Australia does it correctly - only refugees processed through a UN centre can resettle - and Canada would be wise to take that cue.
Trudeau won't, his instinct will be to follow Merkel (a refugee is anyone from anywhere coming to Germany for any reason) and that will lead to disaster - and worst-case scenario, if things get really out of hand, another independence referendum.
Aug 26th 2017, 1:27 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
I think there are a few differences though. Regardless of the legality of crossing into Canada, they have still lost their home through disaster as compared to the person exchanging a comfortable life for another comfortable life with no particular urgency involved.
A major piece of advice to people on BE is to apply for one of the temporary statuses in Canada and then use that to turn it into something more permanent. Then there's the questionable get in under a provincial method and then move somewhere else "when it doesn't work out"
Isn't there a similar element of 'wrongness' in that too? Getting in under one category, hoping to change it to another?
Bit of a double standard, no?
A major piece of advice to people on BE is to apply for one of the temporary statuses in Canada and then use that to turn it into something more permanent. Then there's the questionable get in under a provincial method and then move somewhere else "when it doesn't work out"
Isn't there a similar element of 'wrongness' in that too? Getting in under one category, hoping to change it to another?Bit of a double standard, no?
Aug 26th 2017, 3:28 pm
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Re: USA refugees Huh?
Wait until you see what that leads to . . .
Hundreds of thousands of "Haitians" who are fleeing from the "hurricane." Look here - no identity documents and no way to prove that!
The vast majority will be non-Haitians who have never been in a hurricane and are abusing the process - but by "not having and documents," the burden shifts to the Canadian Government to prove they AREN'T Haitians fleeing a 7-year-old hurricane, and that can take years.
Australia does it correctly - only refugees processed through a UN centre can resettle - and Canada would be wise to take that cue.
Trudeau won't, his instinct will be to follow Merkel (a refugee is anyone from anywhere coming to Germany for any reason) and that will lead to disaster - and worst-case scenario, if things get really out of hand, another independence referendum.
Hundreds of thousands of "Haitians" who are fleeing from the "hurricane." Look here - no identity documents and no way to prove that!
The vast majority will be non-Haitians who have never been in a hurricane and are abusing the process - but by "not having and documents," the burden shifts to the Canadian Government to prove they AREN'T Haitians fleeing a 7-year-old hurricane, and that can take years.
Australia does it correctly - only refugees processed through a UN centre can resettle - and Canada would be wise to take that cue.
Trudeau won't, his instinct will be to follow Merkel (a refugee is anyone from anywhere coming to Germany for any reason) and that will lead to disaster - and worst-case scenario, if things get really out of hand, another independence referendum.