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Old Sep 25th 2017, 1:27 am
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They did that in Manila too
And in Gibraltar in the '50s!
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Yes, but that was mostly just lipservice in the name of tradition. What's going on in America now is quite different; people are being demanded to respect the flag or the anthem. "You WILL respect our military and our flag and you are a traitor if you don't." The President threatening repercussions on those who don't.

He'll have the NFL teams goose-stepping out in front of a giant portrait of him by the end of his term.
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
Yes, but that was mostly just lipservice in the name of tradition. What's going on in America now is quite different; people are being demanded to respect the flag or the anthem. "You WILL respect our military and our flag and you are a traitor if you don't." The President threatening repercussions on those who don't.

He'll have the NFL teams goose-stepping out in front of a giant portrait of him by the end of his term.
That's a few dying embers of reactionaryism and racism. Demographics and the subsequent cultural shifts will make all this nonsense a bit outdated.
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CBC plays O Canada at 6.00am - it's like the old days of the BBC

Not the sort of thing one would expect of an organisation supposedly controlled by "pinko liberals"
It will require a great deal more to eliminate that fact. A small price for CBC to pay in return for the handsome chunk of change they receive from the Feds annually, something which should have been axed years ago! CBC like other media organisations should have to operate without tax payers dollars. They sell advertising segments, (unlike the BBC) so why the annual subsidy?

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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
Yes, but that was mostly just lipservice in the name of tradition. What's going on in America now is quite different; people are being demanded to respect the flag or the anthem. "You WILL respect our military and our flag and you are a traitor if you don't." The President threatening repercussions on those who don't.

He'll have the NFL teams goose-stepping out in front of a giant portrait of him by the end of his term.
How is it any different? You seem to be saying that it's OK for other countries to have that cultural norm but not the United States. I also think a lot of Brits would disagree with you that attention to the Union Jack is "lip service."

If you think any of this is new, your experience in the US must not go back very far. The "flag burning" debates in the early 1990s were a lot more intense than this. Around the same time there were also professional athletes refusing to acknowledge the national anthem. Look up Chris Jackson who later became Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.

I also suggest a refresher on what fascism is.
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If you think any of this is new, your experience in the US must not go back very far. The "flag burning" debates in the early 1990s were a lot more intense than this.
You put the 6 in 1960's upside down, although I don't recall a lot of flag burning until about '67.
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I love the irony that those who are most vociferous in their demands that football players "honor the flag" are the same people who do much more to disrespect it by flying the Confederate flag (and, of course, loudly defending their right to do so because free speech...)
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
Yes, but that was mostly just lipservice in the name of tradition. What's going on in America now is quite different; people are being demanded to respect the flag or the anthem. "You WILL respect our military and our flag and you are a traitor if you don't." The President threatening repercussions on those who don't.

He'll have the NFL teams goose-stepping out in front of a giant portrait of him by the end of his term.
What I don't understand is this demand to respect the flag yet no one complains about flag bikinis or wrapping flags around drunken bodies at 4th July parties etc. Here in Aus I used to volunteer for a Marine Rescue group and the first person in the watch room every morning had to raise the flag out on the balcony and the last person had to lower it again before locking up. At no point were we allowed to let the flag touch the ground. That was sacrosanct. Yet people have flag rugs, wear tatty wifebeaters with flags on, and run around dragging flags behind them. A friend posted on BE once a picture of a table they'd built which had the Union flag as the design on the top so food and drink would be spilt all over it. It's all beyond me.
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I love the irony that those who are most vociferous in their demands that football players "honor the flag" are the same people who do much more to disrespect it by flying the Confederate flag (and, of course, loudly defending their right to do so because free speech...)
The chapter titled The Last American Hero in Tom Wolfe's book Kandy Kolored Tangerine Flake Streamline Baby gives a little hint at the psyche of NASCAR's participants and adherents and some of the history. Despite the growth of racing and the money behind it many of the smaller tracks that used to draw crowds are now abandoned and falling apart (there was a good Vice documentary about it).
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How is it any different? You seem to be saying that it's OK for other countries to have that cultural norm but not the United States. I also think a lot of Brits would disagree with you that attention to the Union Jack is "lip service."
Thailand, the Philippines and the like are political basket cases, one shouldn't take their actions as representative of what sensible countries might do. Gibraltar on the other hand is virtually defined by it's Britishness so I fully expect it to act more patriotically than Britain itself.

Of course it's different in the US - imagine playing the national anthem on a sleety Wednesday night at a football match between Airdrie and Peterhead and expecting the players to stand with their hands on their hearts, or expecting the 300 fans to put down their pies & bovrils in order to heartily wish the Queen a long life.

Why should domestic sport need to be linked to national identity, and especially the military? It is brainwashing, using the saturation coverage of US sports to instill a mindset where one cannot question anything done in the name of the USA.

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If you think any of this is new, your experience in the US must not go back very far. The "flag burning" debates in the early 1990s were a lot more intense than this. Around the same time there were also professional athletes refusing to acknowledge the national anthem. Look up Chris Jackson who later became Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.

I also suggest a refresher on what fascism is.
It's not new, but Trumpet is pouring petrol on the fire again. Using patriotism as a deflector from criticism; that's one of the key strategies of a fascist movement.
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
Of course it's different in the US - imagine playing the national anthem on a sleety Wednesday night at a football match between Airdrie and Peterhead and expecting the players to stand with their hands on their hearts, or expecting the 300 fans to put down their pies & bovrils in order to heartily wish the Queen a long life.
But they might sing along to 'Flower of Scotland'. I'll eat my bonnet and a pan of skirlie if the guy running the Peterheid PA system has a recording of GSTQ.
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I think Trump has waded in to deflect attention from more serious matters.
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I think Trump has waded in to deflect attention from more serious matters.
Wouldn't that suggest some sort of thought process though?
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What the deal is:

https://globalnews.ca/news/3766753/a..._campaign=2015
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/made-to-...time-1.3605121

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I think Trump has waded in to deflect attention from more serious matters.
Always, I smell Bannon.
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