Trumps First week
Aug 28th 2017, 8:18 pm
#436
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Re: Trumps First week
Sound familiar? 
Sep 9th 2017, 12:22 am
#437
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Re: Trumps First week
It makes zero sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter.
It makes zero sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion
It makes zero sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion
Sep 9th 2017, 10:26 am
#438
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Re: Trumps First week
It makes zero sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter.
It makes zero sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion
It makes zero sense to be a Canadian Trump supporter: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion
Trump supporters are basically voting anti-establishment, and are not bothered about the consequences, until it hits them in the face. Do you see any 'red hats' around your way?
Sep 9th 2017, 11:08 am
#439
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Sep 9th 2017, 10:44 pm
#442
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Re: Trumps First week
A pardon now or a pardon later wouldn't change the cost unless you mean why spend dollars keeping the guy in prison.
So maybe just not put anyone in prison because it's cheaper. That would work.
Seriously, the court has found him guilty and hasn't yet sentenced him. Trump is on record as wanting the case to be dropped in the first place.
Just how wrong do you want this to look before not having any doubts? There's been a court case and a verdict. If it's wrong there is a procedure to follow to challenge it.
To grant a pardon in this manner demonstrates a total lack of respect for the legal system.
If/when the Russian investigations are concluded and some are 'guilty' and Trump pardons them because he feels they've done nothing wrong (how could it be wrong if it benefits him?) even though the evidence is that they have - and note that this includes Trump pardoning himself which he has looked into because he might have to do it because he's innocent in his own eyes - will you continue to dismiss it all as you don't have enough information?
So maybe just not put anyone in prison because it's cheaper. That would work.
Seriously, the court has found him guilty and hasn't yet sentenced him. Trump is on record as wanting the case to be dropped in the first place.
Just how wrong do you want this to look before not having any doubts? There's been a court case and a verdict. If it's wrong there is a procedure to follow to challenge it.
To grant a pardon in this manner demonstrates a total lack of respect for the legal system.
If/when the Russian investigations are concluded and some are 'guilty' and Trump pardons them because he feels they've done nothing wrong (how could it be wrong if it benefits him?) even though the evidence is that they have - and note that this includes Trump pardoning himself which he has looked into because he might have to do it because he's innocent in his own eyes - will you continue to dismiss it all as you don't have enough information?
Of course if he was going to pardon the fellow anyway. why not do so- besides cost of keeping him in prison, there is cost of government personnel etc.
In any case while the Mark Rich case in comparison was a different manner : while clearly it was a case of influence peddling by all accounts, Trump's pardon perhaps much worse. Someone engaging in police activities because federal government unable to do its job and based on idea that laws should be followed, justified by " this is country of laws", proceeds to ignore a judge and determine himself what laws should be followed.
If Trump had stated " I sympathize with his intent, but this is a country of laws, and there must be some consequence to his actions" ( even if minimal) that would be a statesman- but we already know he isn't. And it already seems he lacks respect for the legal system, nothing knew there.
Sep 10th 2017, 2:03 am
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Sep 10th 2017, 1:46 pm
#444
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Re: Trumps First week
Sep 10th 2017, 3:01 pm
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Re: Trumps First week
Slight difference between me, or anyone else, commenting and the POTUS granting a pardon to someone recently convicted but not yet sentenced.
*I do remember though that on at least two occasions it was agreements reneged on rather than evidence disregarded.
Sep 11th 2017, 5:11 pm
#446
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Never claimed I knew more than the court proceedings, or whether judge's decisions were fair- quite the opposite, I just pointed out that sometimes one doesn't know enough to make a clear determination. Nor do I think those driven by strong ideology form the left or right always the best examples of objective analysis.
Sep 11th 2017, 5:29 pm
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