Syrian refugee crisis.
Sep 11th 2015, 2:05 pm
#61
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
You being a seasoned forum member, a Canadian & one that seemingly takes or pokes fun as 'taking the bait', one who was specific with a 4 point question - I suppose it is asking too much of your intelligence to answer those 4 points
Leave the 'what I read' , links to some media or the politics behind, as a indiviual (take off your 'paid by the taxpayer' employee CBSA hat for a second) and give us the baited answers to the 1-4 questions you so laughingly baited us with.
I'll make this my last shot at trying to get FL to provide his direct pointed answers to the 1-4 questions
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Sep 11th 2015, 2:16 pm
#62
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Poking fun all round, all in good spirit ...
You being a seasoned forum member, a Canadian & one that seemingly takes or pokes fun as 'taking the bait', one who was specific with a 4 point question - I suppose it is asking too much of your intelligence to answer those 4 points
Leave the 'what I read' , links to some media or the politics behind, as a indiviual (take off your 'paid by the taxpayer' employee CBSA hat for a second) and give us the baited answers to the 1-4 questions you so laughingly baited us with.
I'll make this my last shot at trying to get FL to provide his direct pointed answers to the 1-4 questions
You being a seasoned forum member, a Canadian & one that seemingly takes or pokes fun as 'taking the bait', one who was specific with a 4 point question - I suppose it is asking too much of your intelligence to answer those 4 points
Leave the 'what I read' , links to some media or the politics behind, as a indiviual (take off your 'paid by the taxpayer' employee CBSA hat for a second) and give us the baited answers to the 1-4 questions you so laughingly baited us with.
I'll make this my last shot at trying to get FL to provide his direct pointed answers to the 1-4 questions
2. If they are privately sponsored then no Govt money is required so its a zero cost to the Govt. According to the debt clock we owe quite a bit of money and our credit cards are maxed out.
3. They settle wherever their sponsors live.
4. No priority required as they are being privately sponsored.
Now cue all the you heartless bar steward comments and have you no compassion etc etc.
Sep 11th 2015, 2:20 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I'm not really much of an egg shell walker these days so forgive me as my style will probably not change all that much.
Sep 11th 2015, 2:27 pm
#64
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Also googled it, if you get past the DM article others are saying 1500/2000+. No one knows the exact numbers. I stand by my 'a lot' statement, even if it's 500 that's still a lot of disgruntled western hating people who have the right to live amongst us considering the damage just one can do.
Is this what lead you to your forum name?
Sep 11th 2015, 2:29 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I don't know the answers, how could I? What I am prepared to say is we would pay more taxes, and/or sponsor a family? There is a place in Toronto I have emailed about sponsorship. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Canada has plenty of room for migrants and neither needs to rule each other out. My husband and our family gets to stay and pays enormous sums of tax and contributes to society by virtue of his job. Why shouldn't our positive net effect for Canada be used to help another family who don't have the same fortune as us?
Sep 11th 2015, 2:34 pm
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Sep 11th 2015, 2:39 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I don't know the answers, how could I? What I am prepared to say is we would pay more taxes, and/or sponsor a family? There is a place in Toronto I have emailed about sponsorship. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Canada has plenty of room for migrants and neither needs to rule each other out. My husband and our family gets to stay and pays enormous sums of tax and contributes to society by virtue of his job. Why shouldn't our positive net effect for Canada be used to help another family who don't have the same fortune as us?
According to the national debt clock you and your husband owe just under $35,000 so Im to assume your cheque is in the mail made payable to the Receiver General for Canada. Personally I don't think the refugees will appreciate being sent to the Yukon, NWT or Nunavut so I guess most will be heading for Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary then.
Sep 11th 2015, 2:41 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Sadly incorrect as this site is BLOCKED at work. Im usually up around 4am unless on the midnight shift then Im still at work. There is not a lot to do at 5am in the morning on a day of rest with 2 more to come after this one so why not trawl (not troll) the net.
Sep 11th 2015, 2:41 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I'm sorry please enlighten me, what is your definition of 'a lot'. I nor anyone else may not know the exact number but I'm pretty sure that there is evidence that at least say 10 (anything less would probably be described as a handful) have gone.
Sep 11th 2015, 2:42 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
1. Zero Govt sponsored refugees from Syria. Those who wish to privately sponsor them well fill your boots with as many as you can as you agree to support them.
2. If they are privately sponsored then no Govt money is required so its a zero cost to the Govt. According to the debt clock we owe quite a bit of money and our credit cards are maxed out.
3. They settle wherever their sponsors live.
4. No priority required as they are being privately sponsored.
Now cue all the you heartless bar steward comments and have you no compassion etc etc.
2. If they are privately sponsored then no Govt money is required so its a zero cost to the Govt. According to the debt clock we owe quite a bit of money and our credit cards are maxed out.
3. They settle wherever their sponsors live.
4. No priority required as they are being privately sponsored.
Now cue all the you heartless bar steward comments and have you no compassion etc etc.
That sorted, I'd be more concerned about those 50 or so refugees from Ethiopia you mentioned that CIC & the POE let in, creeping through that POE centre as well as the rest of all asylum seekers & refugees that should never ever be taken in ever especially in place of economic migrants.
Charity begins at home... send each & every refugee & asylum seeker in process today back on a barge back to where they came from, and stop all future ones.
That way we'd need less CIC officers in remote places & more of the taxpayers money for Canadians in Canada
Sep 11th 2015, 2:47 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Its tough being retired, even with having all the things around me done, travel here & there done. BE fills part of the 'trawling' days fishing
Sep 11th 2015, 2:48 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
heartless bar steward you are & likely a good one at that.
That sorted, I'd be more concerned about those 50 or so refugees from Ethiopia you mentioned that CIC & the POE let in, creeping through that POE centre as well as the rest of all asylum seekers & refugees that should never ever be taken in ever especially in place of economic migrants.
Charity begins at home... send each & every refugee & asylum seeker in process today back on a barge back to where they came from, and stop all future ones.
That way we'd need less CIC officers in remote places & more of the taxpayers money for Canadians in Canada
That sorted, I'd be more concerned about those 50 or so refugees from Ethiopia you mentioned that CIC & the POE let in, creeping through that POE centre as well as the rest of all asylum seekers & refugees that should never ever be taken in ever especially in place of economic migrants.
Charity begins at home... send each & every refugee & asylum seeker in process today back on a barge back to where they came from, and stop all future ones.
That way we'd need less CIC officers in remote places & more of the taxpayers money for Canadians in Canada
Projected figures at that one POE are around 500 for this year. CIC officers don't work at POE'S. All the Immigration work done at all POE'S is done by CBSA officers which is a totally different Agency to CIC. They just want us to do their work for them.
When they cross illegally and picked up by the RCMP or surrender themselves they are then taken back to the border by Inland Enforcement officers who are CBSA employees and then processed at the POE by CBSA officers.
Im sorry where do you think CIC officers come into this scenario?
Sep 11th 2015, 2:56 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Actually those are from Somalia who have been denied refugee status in the USA.
Projected figures at that one POE are around 500 for this year. CIC officers don't work at POE'S. All the Immigration work done at all POE'S is done by CBSA officers which is a totally different Agency to CIC. They just want us to do their work for them.
When they cross illegally and picked up by the RCMP or surrender themselves they are then taken back to the border by Inland Enforcement officers who are CBSA employees and then processed at the POE by CBSA officers.
Im sorry where do you think CIC officers come into this scenario?
Projected figures at that one POE are around 500 for this year. CIC officers don't work at POE'S. All the Immigration work done at all POE'S is done by CBSA officers which is a totally different Agency to CIC. They just want us to do their work for them.
When they cross illegally and picked up by the RCMP or surrender themselves they are then taken back to the border by Inland Enforcement officers who are CBSA employees and then processed at the POE by CBSA officers.
Im sorry where do you think CIC officers come into this scenario?
I always understood it to be that CIC is the mother hen of all those that want to come to Canada & that the CBSA was a dept under CIC, and that CBSA & the POE officers are one & the same as CBSA?
Interesting what you posted (from that I take as) that CIC is purely for those wanting to come to Canada through the conventional immigration (to live, work, play or study) route & that asylum or refugees are not handled at all by CIC... would that be correct?
Sep 11th 2015, 3:02 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Terms like these need some reference point. Some context.
If you take the upper estimate of their number then to be consistent you have to take the upper estimate for the overall figure.
The upper figure of 2000 as a proportion of the upper figure of 100,000 is 2%.
If you take the 2000 Brits as a percentage of Brits in the UK it's even smaller.
A lot doesn't seem an accurate way to describe it.
If you take the upper estimate of their number then to be consistent you have to take the upper estimate for the overall figure.
The upper figure of 2000 as a proportion of the upper figure of 100,000 is 2%.
If you take the 2000 Brits as a percentage of Brits in the UK it's even smaller.
A lot doesn't seem an accurate way to describe it.