Originally Posted by Oink

Devolution of power rather than consolidation of power is a better for human agency.

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef

I'm saying its a done deal, time to move on, unite, whatever. The dog is dead....shall we get another dog in the future....perhaps, but let's leave it awhile. For now it's just us alone, we shall keep the lead and the memories, the dog basket and the travel cage...just in case. Throw the food, the bowl, perhaps a cat next time?

Originally Posted by MarkG

Bingo. The future is decentralized, and the EU is a dinosaur that believes it can keep those pesky mammals from taking over even as the dark clouds of asteroid ash come rolling over the horizon.

I mean, seriously: in a world of VR, 3D printers and basement bioengineering, what's the benefit of being told what to do by people thousands of miles away? Why would anyone want that, unless they're a power-crazed politico who expects to be the one who's telling other people what to do?

We're racing towards a time of change that will make the early years of the Industrial Revolution look like the Teddy Bear's Picnic. Big states are rapidly going to become big liabilities.

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef

Well the vote has been cast and counted and democracy dictates we now leave, the country has been in difficult situations before and will again

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef

If I recall, Ireland had another vote to join and on the second attempt, accepted it. Ffs, how many chances do you want? If it is just 49.9 v 50.1, should we go and vote again?

The job is done, let the elected and the civil servants get on with it without having their hands tied.

Originally Posted by Shard

Easy for you say, you've already jumped ship. And it certainly doesn't seem iike a "done deal". Using your metaphor, it seems like a dog's breakfast.

Originally Posted by Shard

Well 100B is the top end figure that someone has bandied about, nobody yet knows what the realistic figures are as neither side has bothered to set out their numbers. The amount relates to ongoing long term investment commitments, it will all be set in treaty law (as you can imagine); no jiggery pokery but obviously prone to some interpretation.

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef

Those that disagreed with the BREXIT decision need to get over themselves, those old enough to remember the lost vote to leave in the seventies had little choice but move on.

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef

The job is done, let the elected and the civil servants get on with it without having their hands tied.

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef

If I recall, Ireland had another vote to join and on the second attempt, accepted it. Ffs, how many chances do you want? If it is just 49.9 v 50.1, should we go and vote again?

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef

Just out of interest, how are you directly affected? Do you own property in another EU country? Do you directly employ people from another EU country, perhaps you are planning to live and work in Belgium? perhaps you're a euro sponger, I really don't know your circumstances, I haven't said how I voted, i did, and it all happened a week before I flew here, it cost me $200k in the drop in exchange rates, I can't undo the vote and neither can you. Just live with the consequences, adapt and move on.

Originally Posted by Shard

I'll certainly adapt if it happens, but right now it hasn't happened, and there's a slim chance that what I view as a misinformed retrograde decision can be averted.

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef

Good luck with that, but the dead dog isn't going to wake up, no matter how much you my want it to. We might all of wanted a different outcome, but the reality is we are out of it in the not too distant future.

Originally Posted by Shard

Not if the devolved power rips up opportunity and decreases wealth.

Originally Posted by Shard

The dog is slightly more awake than it was before Theresa demonstrated her vacuousness. The economic impact is starting to be noticed and felt. Much needed European workers are drifting away. And nothing of substance has been achieved one full year later. On current trends, the dog might start barking in a few months time, and after another election, who knows. Way too many on the Brexit side are peddling this "it's decided, we're leaving" dictat but as they say, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Originally Posted by Oink

Devolution of power rather than consolidation of power is a better for human agency.

Originally Posted by MarkG

Bingo. The future is decentralized, and the EU is a dinosaur that believes it can keep those pesky mammals from taking over even as the dark clouds of asteroid ash come rolling over the horizon.