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Theresa May
27
45.00%
Anyone BUT !
33
55.00%
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June 8th poll
May 31st 2017, 1:51 pm
#76
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Re: June 8th poll
This is a party who held a totally unnecessary EU referendum in order to deal with an internal party schism. Now, we are being told to accept the referendum result and move on, despite the fact that for 40 years half the Conservative Party didn't accept that the majority of the UK had voted us INTO the EEC.
Theresa May promised not to hold an election, and changed her mind at the first opportunistic whiff. Boris Johnson is a proven liar, multiple times over, yet May made him Foreign Secretary. They ARE liars, and in my view beyond compare because they need you to forget their lies and ask for your trust to deliver something neither of them believe in.
Theresa May promised not to hold an election, and changed her mind at the first opportunistic whiff. Boris Johnson is a proven liar, multiple times over, yet May made him Foreign Secretary. They ARE liars, and in my view beyond compare because they need you to forget their lies and ask for your trust to deliver something neither of them believe in.
May 31st 2017, 1:53 pm
#77
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Re: June 8th poll
Do you not remember the "will the last person to leave please turn out the lights" campaign against Kinnock?
May 31st 2017, 1:55 pm
#78
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Re: June 8th poll
Spot on.
May's reaction and handling of the Brexit decision is incomprehensible. If she was a confirmed Eurosceptic, taking a hardline post referendum would have some consistency, but she wasn't. Instead, her lack of imagination, and overall headmistress persona is resulting in bizarre appointments and feverish commitment to a hard Brexit in the name of a flawed referendum. She is a farce, and she seems intent on leading Britain down a farcical path.
May's reaction and handling of the Brexit decision is incomprehensible. If she was a confirmed Eurosceptic, taking a hardline post referendum would have some consistency, but she wasn't. Instead, her lack of imagination, and overall headmistress persona is resulting in bizarre appointments and feverish commitment to a hard Brexit in the name of a flawed referendum. She is a farce, and she seems intent on leading Britain down a farcical path.
May 31st 2017, 2:41 pm
#79
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Re: June 8th poll
That's one argument, but people still buy lottery tickets and the probability of winning isn't.. well.. good, in fact it's the value of the prize that attracts the gullible.
May 31st 2017, 3:19 pm
#80
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Re: June 8th poll
Is this the end of May?
May 31st 2017, 3:29 pm
#81
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Re: June 8th poll
Brexit hasn't happened yet.
May 31st 2017, 11:00 pm
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Jun 2nd 2017, 9:47 am
#83
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Re: June 8th poll
Perhaps not!
Polls are being disregarded by the electronic media as being useless - having got it totally wrong in 2015, for the referendum and even Trump. Their methodolgy is suspect IPSOS only count the views of those who voted last time but YouGov accept that with 2 million 'new voters' signing up in the last month they may have an effect (and they are mostly younger ones who felt betrayed by the Brexit vote).
What is most certainly happening is that the social media are playing the stories the politicians don't want, i.e the 30 Tory candidates accused of breaching electoral law in 2015 and as was succinctly put ' you citicise Labours fully costed manifest but the only nubers in the Tory manifest are the page numbers.
May's campaign failed to get 'the people' to accept her manifest so she has now switched back to Brexit. Having refused to debate with Corbin or the other leaders both Corbin and May had a Q&A session with an audience and were interviewed by Jeremy Paxman.
Corbin came across as a thoughtful and unflappable guy but May wasn't 'strong and stable' but very wobbly and defending U turns again and again. NOT impressive.
Latest question is whether, if she got only a few extra seats or none at all, whether she could survive the demands of her own party.
Interesting times!
Polls are being disregarded by the electronic media as being useless - having got it totally wrong in 2015, for the referendum and even Trump. Their methodolgy is suspect IPSOS only count the views of those who voted last time but YouGov accept that with 2 million 'new voters' signing up in the last month they may have an effect (and they are mostly younger ones who felt betrayed by the Brexit vote).
What is most certainly happening is that the social media are playing the stories the politicians don't want, i.e the 30 Tory candidates accused of breaching electoral law in 2015 and as was succinctly put ' you citicise Labours fully costed manifest but the only nubers in the Tory manifest are the page numbers.
May's campaign failed to get 'the people' to accept her manifest so she has now switched back to Brexit. Having refused to debate with Corbin or the other leaders both Corbin and May had a Q&A session with an audience and were interviewed by Jeremy Paxman.
Corbin came across as a thoughtful and unflappable guy but May wasn't 'strong and stable' but very wobbly and defending U turns again and again. NOT impressive.
Latest question is whether, if she got only a few extra seats or none at all, whether she could survive the demands of her own party.
Interesting times!
Jun 2nd 2017, 10:00 am
#84
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Re: June 8th poll
Perhaps not!
Polls are being disregarded by the electronic media as being useless - having got it totally wrong in 2015, for the referendum and even Trump. Their methodolgy is suspect IPSOS only count the views of those who voted last time but YouGov accept that with 2 million 'new voters' signing up in the last month they may have an effect (and they are mostly younger ones who felt betrayed by the Brexit vote).
What is most certainly happening is that the social media are playing the stories the politicians don't want, i.e the 30 Tory candidates accused of breaching electoral law in 2015 and as was succinctly put ' you citicise Labours fully costed manifest but the only nubers in the Tory manifest are the page numbers.
May's campaign failed to get 'the people' to accept her manifest so she has now switched back to Brexit. Having refused to debate with Corbin or the other leaders both Corbin and May had a Q&A session with an audience and were interviewed by Jeremy Paxman.
Corbin came across as a thoughtful and unflappable guy but May wasn't 'strong and stable' but very wobbly and defending U turns again and again. NOT impressive.
Latest question is whether, if she got only a few extra seats or none at all, whether she could survive the demands of her own party.
Interesting times!
Polls are being disregarded by the electronic media as being useless - having got it totally wrong in 2015, for the referendum and even Trump. Their methodolgy is suspect IPSOS only count the views of those who voted last time but YouGov accept that with 2 million 'new voters' signing up in the last month they may have an effect (and they are mostly younger ones who felt betrayed by the Brexit vote).
What is most certainly happening is that the social media are playing the stories the politicians don't want, i.e the 30 Tory candidates accused of breaching electoral law in 2015 and as was succinctly put ' you citicise Labours fully costed manifest but the only nubers in the Tory manifest are the page numbers.
May's campaign failed to get 'the people' to accept her manifest so she has now switched back to Brexit. Having refused to debate with Corbin or the other leaders both Corbin and May had a Q&A session with an audience and were interviewed by Jeremy Paxman.
Corbin came across as a thoughtful and unflappable guy but May wasn't 'strong and stable' but very wobbly and defending U turns again and again. NOT impressive.
Latest question is whether, if she got only a few extra seats or none at all, whether she could survive the demands of her own party.
Interesting times!
It's so hard to gauge these days. It's not only the polls but the TV journalism and media that get it wrong. Trump and Brexit are prime examples.
One worrying thing that I have noticed is that my You Tube has started (from today) feeding me short "Vote May" commercials. Constantly feeding the commercial (a couple of different versions) prior to watching videos. As someone firmly decided, those commercials won't influence me, but as a campaign tool at the undecided, it's very powerful.
Jun 2nd 2017, 10:13 am
#85
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Re: June 8th poll
Are you suggesting that the media influence in 2017 is no greater than in 1992? As suggested by Shard above, it is virtually impossible to avoid media propaganda these days, wanted or not. Some if it, inevitably, sinks in. There is no comparison to 1992, today's campaigning/spin/blatant lies is monstrous in scale.
Jun 2nd 2017, 3:43 pm
#86
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Re: June 8th poll
Are you saying that just because something happened, it was necessary?
Are you suggesting that the media influence in 2017 is no greater than in 1992? As suggested by Shard above, it is virtually impossible to avoid media propaganda these days, wanted or not. Some if it, inevitably, sinks in. There is no comparison to 1992, today's campaigning/spin/blatant lies is monstrous in scale.
Are you suggesting that the media influence in 2017 is no greater than in 1992? As suggested by Shard above, it is virtually impossible to avoid media propaganda these days, wanted or not. Some if it, inevitably, sinks in. There is no comparison to 1992, today's campaigning/spin/blatant lies is monstrous in scale.
Jun 2nd 2017, 4:08 pm
#87
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Re: June 8th poll
One of the advantages of living across the pond is that results of UK elections arrive at times when you can enjoy them with a glass of wine in your hand.
What with Comey due to spout and the UK election results, TV on Thursday is looking up. Will have to set aside more booze.
What with Comey due to spout and the UK election results, TV on Thursday is looking up. Will have to set aside more booze.
Jun 2nd 2017, 4:10 pm
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Re: June 8th poll
One of the advantages of living across the pond is that results of UK elections arrive at times when you can enjoy them with a glass of wine in your hand.
What with Comey due to spout and the UK election results, TV on Thursday is looking up. Will have to set aside more booze.
What with Comey due to spout and the UK election results, TV on Thursday is looking up. Will have to set aside more booze.
Jun 2nd 2017, 6:29 pm
#89
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Re: June 8th poll
Are you suggesting that the media influence in 2017 is no greater than in 1992? As suggested by Shard above, it is virtually impossible to avoid media propaganda these days, wanted or not. Some if it, inevitably, sinks in. There is no comparison to 1992, today's campaigning/spin/blatant lies is monstrous in scale.
Have you ever changed your political allegiance simply because of something the media stated?
Jun 3rd 2017, 7:57 am
#90
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Re: June 8th poll
It's so hard to gauge these days. It's not only the polls but the TV journalism and media that get it wrong. Trump and Brexit are prime examples.
One worrying thing that I have noticed is that my You Tube has started (from today) feeding me short "Vote May" commercials. Constantly feeding the commercial (a couple of different versions) prior to watching videos. As someone firmly decided, those commercials won't influence me, but as a campaign tool at the undecided, it's very powerful.
One worrying thing that I have noticed is that my You Tube has started (from today) feeding me short "Vote May" commercials. Constantly feeding the commercial (a couple of different versions) prior to watching videos. As someone firmly decided, those commercials won't influence me, but as a campaign tool at the undecided, it's very powerful.
The only effective answer might be to require all political campaigning to be paid for from a single audited, fixed amount, fund but that would hit the expectations of the influence wielding moneyed classes too hard to be acceptable.