if the scots go, do you care?
Feb 6th 2014, 4:39 pm
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Re: if the scots go, do you care?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26028481
My personal view is that Great Britain is great and it ought to stay together," added Mr Dudley
My personal view is that Great Britain is great and it ought to stay together," added Mr Dudley
Feb 6th 2014, 4:51 pm
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Re: if the scots go, do you care?
As a non Scottish person I really don't give a toss if they separate or not. I have read several articles on their plans and they still can't answer basic questions on what will happen if they vote YES to separate.
1. Will they be issued with a Scottish passport?
2. Currency will it now be the Scottish pound?
3. How about the border?
4. How about their Armed Forces and a whole host of other Govt programmes such as Income Tax, Benefits, Car licensing & registration, Postal services and a whole bunch of others.
Im not against them having their vote but put it out there in plain language what a Yes vote actually means.
1. Will they be issued with a Scottish passport?
2. Currency will it now be the Scottish pound?
3. How about the border?
4. How about their Armed Forces and a whole host of other Govt programmes such as Income Tax, Benefits, Car licensing & registration, Postal services and a whole bunch of others.
Im not against them having their vote but put it out there in plain language what a Yes vote actually means.
Feb 6th 2014, 4:54 pm
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Im not against them having their vote but put it out there in plain language what a Yes vote actually means.[/QUOTE]
That's never happened before , so why should this be any different. The Good Friday agreement referendum was an excellent example of this. Voters were completely missold on what a "yes" or "no" vote actually meant. In fact the version of the agreement that was released to the general public was missing a fair few pages to what was actually signed.
Im not against them having their vote but put it out there in plain language what a Yes vote actually means.[/QUOTE]
That's never happened before , so why should this be any different. The Good Friday agreement referendum was an excellent example of this. Voters were completely missold on what a "yes" or "no" vote actually meant. In fact the version of the agreement that was released to the general public was missing a fair few pages to what was actually signed.
Feb 6th 2014, 4:59 pm
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Perhaps there lies the central issue. "Im not a scot so why would I care".
Are we not really all British, regardless of whether we consider home as north or south of the border? As a nation we have a collective history stretching back officially 300+ years, 400+ years when you consider the court of King James, and in practice a lot farther back than that. What is under consideration is tearing a large chunk of Britain away.
I would consider myself english, born in london(ish) to english born parents, however my Fathers parents were Scottish and my ancestors on that side clearly Scottish as far back as I can trace them, so I guess I dont see it as a "them and us" situation at all.
Are we not really all British, regardless of whether we consider home as north or south of the border? As a nation we have a collective history stretching back officially 300+ years, 400+ years when you consider the court of King James, and in practice a lot farther back than that. What is under consideration is tearing a large chunk of Britain away.
I would consider myself english, born in london(ish) to english born parents, however my Fathers parents were Scottish and my ancestors on that side clearly Scottish as far back as I can trace them, so I guess I dont see it as a "them and us" situation at all.
Modern Britain today is what it is, and has achieved what it has through being the UNITED Kingdom, to split this union now, after all this time, doesnt make economical or common sense, not just for Scotland but for the whole of the UK, however i fear Scotland would suffer more.
I call myself British first, English second, I just think Britain is all the stronger on the world stage for being a united country, and after all.....we all have the same culture really England Scotland Wales and even Northern Ireland, so i dont understand the need to be "independant" its a very high price to pay.
I would actually go further the other way and say that in the world cup, Great Britain should be entered as one British team like in the Olympics. I still think you could have "home nation friendlys" but on the world stage it should be Great Britain.
But then we all live in Canada now...so were all pretty detached from the whole thing, i just think i would be a trerrible shame if they broke up such a successful union.
Feb 6th 2014, 5:00 pm
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But if Scotland leaves the Union, it doesn't have a say on what its former partner country is called. England, Wales and Northern Ireland could pass an Act in Westminster to call the country the United Kingdom. The name was created by Act of Parliament in 1707; it would only need another Act in the same Parliament to amend it.
By the way, there's no such thing as the United Kingdom of Great Britain. There hasn't been since the annexation of Ireland in 1801, when it became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (again, by Act of the Westminster Parliament) and subsequently the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in 1927. There's a good deal of precedent for changing the boundaries but keeping the name.
Feb 6th 2014, 5:17 pm
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Confuses the crap out of Mericans and some Canucks when trying to explain what the UK or Great Britain is though 
The Kingdom of Great Britain resulted from the union of the kingdoms of England (comprising modern-day England and Wales) and Scotland in 1707. Subsequently, in 1801, the Kingdom of Great Britain united with the neighbouring Kingdom of Ireland forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. When five-sixths of Ireland seceded the United Kingdom in 1922, the state was renamed the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
So where are you from?
Im from the UK.
The UK what is that?
Well its basically 3 countries and 6 counties of another country (Ireland) all rolled into one.
So whats Great Britain?
Pretty much the same.
So you are British then?
Well actually Im English but you can call me British if you want.
The Kingdom of Great Britain resulted from the union of the kingdoms of England (comprising modern-day England and Wales) and Scotland in 1707. Subsequently, in 1801, the Kingdom of Great Britain united with the neighbouring Kingdom of Ireland forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. When five-sixths of Ireland seceded the United Kingdom in 1922, the state was renamed the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
So where are you from?
Im from the UK.
The UK what is that?
Well its basically 3 countries and 6 counties of another country (Ireland) all rolled into one.
So whats Great Britain?
Pretty much the same.
So you are British then?
Well actually Im English but you can call me British if you want.
Feb 6th 2014, 5:34 pm
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Feb 6th 2014, 5:41 pm
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Feb 6th 2014, 5:42 pm
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Feb 6th 2014, 5:43 pm
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Feb 6th 2014, 5:50 pm
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No idea what these Youtube links are about, can you please also post in your own words?
Feb 6th 2014, 6:24 pm
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apologies , mine was a funny (IMO) video explaining the nuances between GB, UK , England etc.
as to the others I don't know.
as to the others I don't know.
Feb 6th 2014, 6:26 pm
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Re: if the scots go, do you care?
If anyone really....I mean REALLY cared about the place, they would still be living there
Feb 6th 2014, 6:39 pm
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Long-winded appeals to the emotional "this is my country and it should be independent just because" brigade, I suspect. I watched the first thirty seconds of the first one - images of oil platforms, disenfranchised youths in urban wastelands, Thatcher looking smug; commentary on Gaddafi's Libyan coup and the Yom Kippur war and how Scottish oil saved the world. Very dispassionate and carefully argued, I'm sure. Not.