Euro elections
#32
Re: Euro elections
But what about the local elections? You know the ones that affect peoples everyday lives? UKIP actually won far fewer seats than even the hapless Lib Dems. Labour on the other hand made net gains of over 330 council seats to end up with more than half of all of the council seats that were contested. With five net gains of majority council control.
While UKIP did pick up over 160 new council seats, they were dispersed so far and wide across the country that they gained control of precisely no councils. Unless they buddy up with the Tories, they’ll have zero power. UKIP actually did worse in these local council elections than last year (from 22% down to 17%). And for the European elections, so few people voted that the only thing it’ll do it pad another few Euro-skeptic racists with the money from the institution they despise. So to sum up, the UK isn’t going to the racist, bigoted dogs although I fear some prospective émigrés will use the media reactions to this election to justify their disenchantment with their lives. But it'll be more bollox.
While UKIP did pick up over 160 new council seats, they were dispersed so far and wide across the country that they gained control of precisely no councils. Unless they buddy up with the Tories, they’ll have zero power. UKIP actually did worse in these local council elections than last year (from 22% down to 17%). And for the European elections, so few people voted that the only thing it’ll do it pad another few Euro-skeptic racists with the money from the institution they despise. So to sum up, the UK isn’t going to the racist, bigoted dogs although I fear some prospective émigrés will use the media reactions to this election to justify their disenchantment with their lives. But it'll be more bollox.
#33
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Re: Euro elections
The acceptable face of xenophobia.
#36
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I don't think it's a bad thing for the mainstream parties to get a shake up, they've thought they were invincible for far too long. The main problem I see is UKIP splitting the Tory vote & Labour getting in which is the last thing this country needs.
Also (not in response to you tirytory), wanting controlled immigration has nothing to do with racism
#37
Re: Euro elections
It may be rational not to want immigrants from disadvantaged nations but, if those people are identifiable as members of a group, as, for example, are Gypsies, it's racism.
#38
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That's a stretch. People don't want uncontrolled immigration of grubby people from poor countries who don't speak English and are thought likely to have to subsist on benefits or the proceeds of crime. They're markedly less fussed about, for example, waves of Canadians coming over and taking teaching jobs.
It may be rational not to want immigrants from disadvantaged nations but, if those people are identifiable as members of a group, as, for example, are Gypsies, it's racism.
It may be rational not to want immigrants from disadvantaged nations but, if those people are identifiable as members of a group, as, for example, are Gypsies, it's racism.
Last edited by Shard; May 27th 2014 at 1:34 pm.
#39
Re: Euro elections
I heard on the news this morning that M Hollande, reeling from Marine Le Pen's success in the Euro elections, is calling for a review of some European institutions, notably the Schengen agreement on the free movement of labour across Europe. Any significant change to the Schengen Area protocols would fundamentally alter the nature of the EU, so it's a big thing for France to be contemplating.
#40
Re: Euro elections
I heard on the news this morning that M Hollande, reeling from Marine Le Pen's success in the Euro elections, is calling for a review of some European institutions, notably the Schengen agreement on the free movement of labour across Europe. Any significant change to the Schengen Area protocols would fundamentally alter the nature of the EU, so it's a big thing for France to be contemplating.
Last edited by Shard; May 27th 2014 at 2:19 pm.
#41
Re: Euro elections
That's a stretch. People don't want uncontrolled immigration of grubby people from poor countries who don't speak English and are thought likely to have to subsist on benefits or the proceeds of crime. They're markedly less fussed about, for example, waves of Canadians coming over and taking teaching jobs.
It may be rational not to want immigrants from disadvantaged nations but, if those people are identifiable as members of a group, as, for example, are Gypsies, it's racism.
It may be rational not to want immigrants from disadvantaged nations but, if those people are identifiable as members of a group, as, for example, are Gypsies, it's racism.
#42
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Re: Euro elections
That's a stretch. People don't want uncontrolled immigration of grubby people from poor countries who don't speak English and are thought likely to have to subsist on benefits or the proceeds of crime. They're markedly less fussed about, for example, waves of Canadians coming over and taking teaching jobs.
It may be rational not to want immigrants from disadvantaged nations but, if those people are identifiable as members of a group, as, for example, are Gypsies, it's racism.
It may be rational not to want immigrants from disadvantaged nations but, if those people are identifiable as members of a group, as, for example, are Gypsies, it's racism.
(I'm not talking about political asylum seekers here, just people that purposely move to the UK for the free hand outs)
#43
Re: Euro elections
2. I've not been following this closely, but I believe they only put up a limited number of candidates in local elections.
As for UKIP policy, from what I've read, they literally don't have any policies right now other than those related to UK Independence. People are voting for them because they're tired of Brussels telling them what to do.
Not saying I'd support them, but getting out of the EU has to be priority #1 if you want to reform the UK. Until then, most laws will come from Brussels, and UK government policies are pretty much irrelevant.
#44
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Re: Euro elections
They don't have an impact on the EU, they just decide on things that happen locally. That's why I voted for my local residents association, I trust them to have our community's best interests at heart than I do MP's from the mainstream parties that probably have hidden agendas.
#45
Re: Euro elections
The only thing that surprises me about this,is that it has taken so long!
Some of you have already mentioned points on leaving the EU,uncontrolled immigration,the housing issues,the drain on the benefits system,all very good valid points which have all added up to bring things to this point.
Tony Blair was in such a rush to get his EU gravy train parliament seat that he never bothered his backside to control immigration,he didn't care and left us to deal with the resulting mess.
And people wonder why I couldn't wait to leave the UK.
Yes Canada has its own share of problems,but nowhere near as bad as the EU ballsup!
Good idea,poorly implemented,poorly planned!
Some of you have already mentioned points on leaving the EU,uncontrolled immigration,the housing issues,the drain on the benefits system,all very good valid points which have all added up to bring things to this point.
Tony Blair was in such a rush to get his EU gravy train parliament seat that he never bothered his backside to control immigration,he didn't care and left us to deal with the resulting mess.
And people wonder why I couldn't wait to leave the UK.
Yes Canada has its own share of problems,but nowhere near as bad as the EU ballsup!
Good idea,poorly implemented,poorly planned!