Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
Service intervals rightfully can vary a bit from country to country because of extreme high/low tempuratures, elevation etc.
You would expect a car run in a seriously hot or seriously cold country to require servicing more than a car run in a very moderate climate.
BUT YES - actually I agree with you completely. I've seen identical models in the same country some with service intervals set at 10,000 miles, and another at 20,000 long life. It's the same car!!
You would expect a car run in a seriously hot or seriously cold country to require servicing more than a car run in a very moderate climate.
BUT YES - actually I agree with you completely. I've seen identical models in the same country some with service intervals set at 10,000 miles, and another at 20,000 long life. It's the same car!!
I used to work for a components manufacturer, and was told engines dont wear much, they corrode, the corrosion is mainly to plain bearings, and iron things like piston rings when the engine is cool and condensation may form inside before heat removes it. Not getting the engine hot is the worst thing for it. The oils corrosion protection and cooling ability is as important as its lubrication function.
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
Getting off topic there, so no reply from me on that :-)
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
Cold is becoming a big problem for cars. I was reading recently about some new cars wearing out their engines because they don't get warm enough in the winter in cold countries to boil off the fuel that's forced into the oil by the high chamber pressure from the direct injection and turbos, and the water that accumulates over time. Between them, that thins the oil and leads to increased wear.
So that does, to some extent, justify more servicing here than countries that don't get so cold.
Of course, it also probably completely eliminates any cost benefit of reduced fuel use from the direct injection and turbos.
But, yeah, I wouldn't buy a white car here because I want the tow truck to be able to see me if I get stuck in the snow out in the wilds.
So that does, to some extent, justify more servicing here than countries that don't get so cold.
Of course, it also probably completely eliminates any cost benefit of reduced fuel use from the direct injection and turbos.
But, yeah, I wouldn't buy a white car here because I want the tow truck to be able to see me if I get stuck in the snow out in the wilds.
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
Hey MarkG - agree, but don't get drawn in, lol!!!
This is a discussion on white goods costs, not on car servicing. Maybe start a new forum post for that?
This is a discussion on white goods costs, not on car servicing. Maybe start a new forum post for that?
#37
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
Its not strictly related directly per se to moving abroad, so the whole thread should be deleted, and all contributors soundly whipped till they admit the error of their ways.
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
Its simple innit?
If you are considering moving to Canada you have the choice of either bringing used (not new) white goods with you OR buying them over here new or used.
Of course you can complain about the price of them compared to the UK or USA but when you have 6 hampers of dirty laundry or you need to eat (stove) or store food (fridge/freezer) then if you haven't got those items then life becomes a bit more complicated.
I have not known anyone yet to stop emigrating because of the price of white goods.
If you are considering moving to Canada you have the choice of either bringing used (not new) white goods with you OR buying them over here new or used.
Of course you can complain about the price of them compared to the UK or USA but when you have 6 hampers of dirty laundry or you need to eat (stove) or store food (fridge/freezer) then if you haven't got those items then life becomes a bit more complicated.
I have not known anyone yet to stop emigrating because of the price of white goods.
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
True post Lancastrian, but it’s so complex sometimes. Here the native powers 220v but all decent houses have both 220 and 120v sockets, and you can import from Europe or the us or buy here both voltages, you find some strange anomalies like Samsung fridges from the us which even with dutyand shipping are cheaper than the same thing bought in the uk without duty shipping etc. However Samsung professional washing machines the reverse is true.
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
True post Lancastrian, but it’s so complex sometimes. Here the native powers 220v but all decent houses have both 220 and 120v sockets, and you can import from Europe or the us or buy here both voltages, you find some strange anomalies like Samsung fridges from the us which even with dutyand shipping are cheaper than the same thing bought in the uk without duty shipping etc. However Samsung professional washing machines the reverse is true.
Warranties: Some companies will not cover warranties where item bought in one country but being used in another.
Returns: PITA if bought in Texas and you live in Toronto and have to return it.
Insurance policies could be invalid if the company finds that certain electrical appliances were present and did not meet standards especially in Ontario which most choose to ignore
Who Can Certify Electrical Products in Ontario
Per Ontario Reg. 438/07, electrical products can only be certified by agencies that have been accredited by the Standards Council of Canada. No other product approval markings are accepted in Ontario.
Years ago I bought numerous white goods from Sears USA while living in Ontario but needed them inspected prior to install.
Granted most stuff bought in the USA will comply to CSA standards as they use the UL system but do you want to be in a fight with insurance companies?
There are sufficient places to buy new/demo, refurbished or used appliances unless living in the boonies.
Dyson UK Cyclone v10 Animal cordless vacuum new 400 quid.
In Canada $699 plus 15% taxes = 805.
Exchange rate online quoting 1.83 so equals $733
So now your Dyson stops working what do you do?
#42
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
Actually the dyson ones easy, they fit in a suitcase, i have one in the caribbean and one in the uk, and they travel as needed. Buy from costco, lifetime warranty, return and get your money back if it fails [would you believe they will return cash on a 10 year old broken own brand suitcase...]
Samsung stuff has a great reputation in the tropics, things die in strange ways here, and they really do last. To be fair as do good american upright washing machines. They give global 5 year warrantues - 10 year on big parts sometimes.
The ultimate long term items are miele washing machines, they have 10 year global warranties as standard, a 25 year spares policy and are happy to provide video chats with their engineers if you are abroad, though their new web connected kit does a level of self/remote assisted diagnostics.
Samsung stuff has a great reputation in the tropics, things die in strange ways here, and they really do last. To be fair as do good american upright washing machines. They give global 5 year warrantues - 10 year on big parts sometimes.
The ultimate long term items are miele washing machines, they have 10 year global warranties as standard, a 25 year spares policy and are happy to provide video chats with their engineers if you are abroad, though their new web connected kit does a level of self/remote assisted diagnostics.
#43
Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
We ignore it because it's empty headed scaremongering. Where is an example of a claim being declined on this basis?
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Re: Are electrical white goods reall THAT expensive?
Perhaps Ontario has mellowed somewhat since I did this quite a few years ago.