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Old Jan 25th 2015, 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by Gozit
Im going into Information Technology, and at least IMO no shortage of jobs there. The tech world is always evolving and there will be jobs 7 yrs from now that did not exist today. Trust me, im not going to uni "just to get an education". If there was another way i'd be taking it. But nowadays you need a degree to do just about everything.
from wikipedia...

Bill Gates Mr Microsoft

Gates did not have a definite study plan while a student at Harvard[39] and spent a lot of time using the school's computers. Gates remained in contact with Paul Allen, and he joined him at Honeywell during the summer of 1974.[40] The following year saw the release of the MITS Altair 8800 based on the Intel 8080 CPU, and Gates and Allen saw this as the opportunity to start their own computer software company.[41] Gates dropped out of Harvard at this time.[42] He had talked this decision over with his parents, who were supportive of him after seeing how much Gates wanted to start a company.[39]

Steve Jobs Mr Apple

Following high school graduation in 1972, Jobs enrolled at Reed College in Portland, Oregon. Reed was an expensive college which Paul and Clara could ill afford. They were spending much of their life savings on their son's higher education.[50] Jobs dropped out of college after six months and spent the next 18 months dropping in on creative classes, including a course on calligraphy.[52] In the commencement address he gave at Stanford, Jobs said that, while he continued to audit classes at Reed, he slept on the floor in friends' dorm rooms, returned Coke bottles for food money, and got weekly free meals at the local Hare Krishna temple.[53] In that same speech, Jobs said: "If I had never dropped in on that single calligraphy course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts."[53]

Richard Branson The Virgin Airlines billionaire

Branson was educated at Scaitcliffe School, a prep school in Berkshire, before briefly attending Cliff View House School in Sussex.[10] Branson attended Stowe School, an independent school in Buckinghamshire until the age of sixteen.[10] Branson has dyslexia and had poor academic performance as a student, and on his last day at school, his headmaster, Robert Drayson, told him he would either end up in prison or become a millionaire.[10]

Branson's parents were supportive of his endeavors from an early age.[11]

Michael G DeGroote Mr Laidlaw

DeGroote was born in Belgium to Flemish parents and immigrated to Canada with his parents when he was 14 years old. He left school in Grade 9 to help his family by working in the tobacco fields near Tillsonburg, Ontario.

is a Canadian businessman and philanthropist from Hamilton, Ontario who currently resides in Bermuda. Aside from his business career, he is best known as a major private donor to local educational institutions such as McMaster University [1] and Hillfield Strathallan College.[2]
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and this

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:45PM EDT
Last Updated Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:16PM EDT

A new survey finds close to half of the country's millionaires are either immigrants or first-generation Canadians who made the bulk of their money after their arrival to the country.

By comparison, only 20 per cent of respondents attributed at least part of their wealth to an inheritance.

The BMO Harris Private Banking survey found that 48 per cent of Canadians with liquid assets of $1 million or more were either immigrants (24 per cent), or first-generation Canadians (24 per cent), meaning they had at least one parent born outside the country. In British Columbia, a full 68 per cent of the millionaires said they were new Canadians.

Nearly half of Canada's millionaires immigrants

Vikram Vij, owner of restaurants Vij’s and Rangoli in Vancouver, B.C., speaks to CTV News Thursday, June 13, 2013.

Vikram Vij works in one of the two restaurants he owns in Vancouver, Thursday, June 13, 2013.

One of those newcomer-turned-millionaires is Vikram Vij, who opened up an Indian restaurant in Vancouver five years after immigrating to Canada.

“When I came to this country I realized this was a young country,” Vij told CTV News. “I realized if I worked hard, with honesty and with integrity, this country was going to give me the chance. And that’s what I wanted to achieve in my life in India.”

Vij said when he leased space to open his first restaurant, the landlord complained of the smell of curry in the building.

“I was really slow and I was having a hard time to pay the bills, so just to please him I told my mom and dad to make the curries at home and bring it down.”

Today, Vij runs two restaurants in British Columbia, manages a line of pre-packaged gourmet curries and has published two cookbooks.

“At the end of the day, my journey is not done,” he said. “I’m going to remain focused until the day I die.”

The survey also finds that more than two-thirds of Canada’s millionaires, like Vij, are self-made -- meaning they built up their nest egg on their own.

“They are not inheriting the wealth. These are people who created the wealth who made their own wealth,” said Alan Desnoyers of BMO.

The study also revealed that women make up one-third of Canada's affluent, up from 21 per cent three years ago. It also found that 40 per cent of women generated their own wealth.

Interestingly though, only one-third of the high net-worth women said they managed their own investments, compared to 59 per cent of men.

And education appeared to be a big indicator of wealth: eight in 10 of the Canadian millionaires said they had at least a university degree, including 46 per cent who had a graduate or professional degree.

Just 10 per cent had a technical, trade or apprenticeship degree, and just 9 per cent held only a high school diploma or less.

The online survey was conducted by Pollara between March 28 and April 11, 2013 and involved 305 Canadians with $1 million in assets.


Read more: Nearly half of our millionaires are immigrants, new Canadians | CTV News
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You should consider joining one of the services.

Lots of travel, as well as opportunities to learn a trade while on the job and getting paid.

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Originally Posted by Gozit
Well, call me a tad optimistic but I think if you really want something you can work at it and make a good life for yourself.
I trust you haven't been influenced by the two posters (or is it just one because they always sound like the same person) who regularly come out with this idea that really wanting means you can.

There is definitely something different about you. Maybe you're more Madonna than Dorothy Stratten.
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Well pardon you for being so miserable. Do you not believe that there are people out there happy with their life and job? I do and i believe there are a whole lot of them.

I say if you dont like what you have, change it ! Ultimately if you really want to, no one is stopping you!
Did I say I was talking about my job? I wasn't though I have had jobs that have caused a great deal of stress and worry. My current job has me working unsocial hours, long hours, last night in particular was hard work mentally and physically but I get satisfaction from it.

As for hating school, put it in perspective. Are you being bullied? Do you have a disability that makes learning challenging? Are you scared to go to school? Are you well fed and clothed with all your books and equipment supplied? Do you get transport to and from school? Do you parents support your studies?

The real world may come as a shock to you.
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You should consider joining one of the services.

Lots of travel, as well as opportunities to learn a trade while on the job and getting paid.

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Pretty sure being a dual citizen may cause issues with this with both of my countries of citizenship. Besides i have my reservations with the military so that ones out of the question for me.

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I trust you haven't been influenced by the two posters (or is it just one because they always sound like the same person) who regularly come out with this idea that really wanting means you can.

There is definitely something different about you. Maybe you're more Madonna than Dorothy Stratten.
LOL i don't even know who you're talking about. Are those the ones that say that just because you want a work permit you'll get one?
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Join the Public Service and reap those benefits such as

Job security for life
Gold plated pension
Union protection if you do something wrong who will fight to keep your job
You can abuse any sick time you accumulate
You will be underworked
You will be overpaid
You can refuse or accept overtime
With seniority you can choose your vacation time or shifts you want to work
Every Christmas off unless a shift worker with no seniority
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I've been looking into taking a gap year after H.S before going to uni. I think I need the time to decompress from 14 years of government education... But it seems that universities don't really like to defer admissions. On york and McGill websites i've seen they are only granted in "exceptional circumstances" (wanting to bugger off abroad for a year doesn't seem exceptional...).

In the UK it seems gap years are encouraged by unis... But in Canada its the typical rat race BS...

Does anyone have actual experience with doing it? Any additional risks in applying a year later instead of bothering with deferred admissions?

It won't have anything to do with the rat race, and everything to do with the universities wanting those who are granted admission to start their programs. If one is accepted and doesn't take their spot then the university has to go back and offer that spot to someone else.

And if you don't want to attend nest year why not wait a year before applying?

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Try going somewhere you absolutely hate, every day, 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year for 14 years of your life. Then come back and talk about "being a drama queen". That obviously isn't the majority of people's experience with school but it is/has been mine.
If that is the case why are you looking at further education? Why not do an apprenticeship instead?


The education system needs huge reform

As someone who has only graduated high school I doubt you are in any way qualified to judge that.
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But nowadays you need a degree to do just about everything.

This is simply not true.
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Wow, BE is a real downer nowadays.

What do you lot say to your own kids? Don't bother with anything, it's all crap? I'm not paying for you to do anything because no-one paid for me?
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It won't have anything to do with the rat race, and everything to do with the universities wanting those who are granted admission to start their programs. If one is accepted and doesn't take their spot then the university has to go back and offer that spot to someone else.

And if you don't want to attend nest year why not wait a year before applying?
Then why is UK/Europe gap year friendly?

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If that is the case why are you looking at further education? Why not do an apprenticeship instead?
Because I need to go to uni for the career i want and the lifestyle I want. Apprenticeships don't happen in my field and when they do you end up with a lower paying job than the uni graduate equivalent. Apprenticeships aren't very transferable internationally either.





As someone who has only graduated high school I doubt you are in any way qualified to judge that.
I'm not the one judging. I've seen the studies and anecdotes from other parents and I agree with them.
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Wow, BE is a real downer nowadays.

What do you lot say to your own kids? Don't bother with anything, it's all crap? I'm not paying for you to do anything because no-one paid for me?
No downer days, especially with Gozit, who IMO, has been given a wealth of help & information from us oldies that have traveled the road.

I'm wondering if Gozit's parents are looking in or if in fact Gozit has discussed with them the questions or future that has been put on BE?


As for the 'who pays for it' ....pretty much.

In our case, it was a two way street. We gave them room & board while they they went to Uni. In return they worked their way through it.

All the toys & gadgets came from their own pockets.

They survived & now lead their own lives... job done

What about you Sally, did you foot the whole bill for your kids to go the further education route?
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Because I need to go to uni for the career i want and the lifestyle I want. Apprenticeships don't happen in my field and when they do you end up with a lower paying job than the uni graduate equivalent. Apprenticeships aren't very transferable internationally either..


a bright ray of light - Gozit knows what he wants

Finish high school & get on with it, suggest that you let your parents in on what your plan is
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