A culture of lies and two faced talk
Feb 9th 2016, 9:16 pm
#46
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
Two faced it is...
From personal experience being away from the UK forever, having been an immigrant with PR in two other countries besides Canada, as well as having worked around the block, it comes as no surprise to me to take everyone at face value, right down to being two-faced, no matter who they are or where they are from.
The only exception to that would be my immediate family - the rest of the world can go screw off
From personal experience being away from the UK forever, having been an immigrant with PR in two other countries besides Canada, as well as having worked around the block, it comes as no surprise to me to take everyone at face value, right down to being two-faced, no matter who they are or where they are from.
The only exception to that would be my immediate family - the rest of the world can go screw off
Feb 10th 2016, 3:28 am
#47
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
Being an old codger - there used to be a thread on that, once - I must say I like the idea of people being courteous to me, even if they're insincere. Better than being sincerely rude, surely?
Feb 10th 2016, 11:33 am
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
Feb 10th 2016, 1:37 pm
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
RANT ALERT
I am so tired of fake civility. On more than one occasion, with multiple people I have been promised things, people saying things that go far beyond the common call of courtesy/necessity (offering this and that), and the minute I actually need anything, they are nowhere to be seen, had no problems not following through on their "promises"
Saying nice, kind things to my face and disappearing like a flash.
I am so sick and tired of this two faced culture. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one http://britishexpats.com/forum/maple...-earth-805788/ or I would go crazy thinking that I am the only one who has ever experienced this.
Argh!
I am so tired of fake civility. On more than one occasion, with multiple people I have been promised things, people saying things that go far beyond the common call of courtesy/necessity (offering this and that), and the minute I actually need anything, they are nowhere to be seen, had no problems not following through on their "promises"
Saying nice, kind things to my face and disappearing like a flash.
I am so sick and tired of this two faced culture. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one http://britishexpats.com/forum/maple...-earth-805788/ or I would go crazy thinking that I am the only one who has ever experienced this.
Argh!
Feb 10th 2016, 4:43 pm
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
I think I must have been incredibly lucky or fortunate because those that I have asked for help, or who have offered it and it's been taken up, have come through every time. Conversely, the three times I have been let down has been by Brits!
I'm wondering if it depends on where you are..
I'm wondering if it depends on where you are..
I think it must depend on where you are in Canada, as much as i have complained about certain things living in Peterborough, the people are great.
I lived in Cambridge for the first 9 months of living in Canada, and that place was a different story, i felt like a total outsider there, many seemed offish and distant, glad i got the chance to move elsewhere.
Feb 10th 2016, 5:42 pm
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
I don't agree with this. I live in roughly the same place as the OP. The OP seems to have the most miserable experiences possible yet I have a great life and enjoy the people I meet.
I get that people find change difficult. One of my "things" in my former corporate life was the implementation of ERP systems. This involved a great deal of change in the way people managed their work practices and there was inevitably a great deal of resistance from the workforce. Getting people to accept the new software was a much tougher job than implementing the technology. You gradually win people round by showing them that the benefits to them outweigh the pain of learning new ways of doing things.
There was always a rump of people who just would not accept change, no matter what. They failed at their job tasks (often deliberately) and blamed the new software. Some would even go as far as to sabotage the system to prove they are right to refuse to change.
Emigration is also a huge and disruptive change. A positive person focuses on enjoying the things that are different and good and finds a workaround of things that are different and not so good. A negative person focuses on the things that are not so good, but over time comes to accept them and starts to appreciate the goods things. A very negative person gets stuck on the things that are not so good and cannot see past them.
Just like people who blame new software for their inability to do their job some immigrants prefer to blame "Canada" or "Canadians" for their inability to adapt.
In short, I think it is who you are, not where you are.
I get that people find change difficult. One of my "things" in my former corporate life was the implementation of ERP systems. This involved a great deal of change in the way people managed their work practices and there was inevitably a great deal of resistance from the workforce. Getting people to accept the new software was a much tougher job than implementing the technology. You gradually win people round by showing them that the benefits to them outweigh the pain of learning new ways of doing things.
There was always a rump of people who just would not accept change, no matter what. They failed at their job tasks (often deliberately) and blamed the new software. Some would even go as far as to sabotage the system to prove they are right to refuse to change.
Emigration is also a huge and disruptive change. A positive person focuses on enjoying the things that are different and good and finds a workaround of things that are different and not so good. A negative person focuses on the things that are not so good, but over time comes to accept them and starts to appreciate the goods things. A very negative person gets stuck on the things that are not so good and cannot see past them.
Just like people who blame new software for their inability to do their job some immigrants prefer to blame "Canada" or "Canadians" for their inability to adapt.
In short, I think it is who you are, not where you are.
Feb 10th 2016, 5:48 pm
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
I don't agree with this. I live in roughly the same place as the OP. The OP seems to have the most miserable experiences possible yet I have a great life and enjoy the people I meet.
I get that people find change difficult. One of my "things" in my former corporate life was the implementation of ERP systems. This involved a great deal of change in the way people managed their work practices and there was inevitably a great deal of resistance from the workforce. Getting people to accept the new software was a much tougher job than implementing the technology. You gradually win people round by showing them that the benefits to them outweigh the pain of learning new ways of doing things.
There was always a rump of people who just would not accept change, no matter what. They failed at their job tasks (often deliberately) and blamed the new software. Some would even go as far as to sabotage the system to prove they are right to refuse to change.
Emigration is also a huge and disruptive change. A positive person focuses on enjoying the things that are different and good and finds a workaround of things that are different and not so good. A negative person focuses on the things that are not so good, but over time comes to accept them and starts to appreciate the goods things. A very negative person gets stuck on the things that are not so good and cannot see past them.
Just like people who blame new software for their inability to do their job some immigrants prefer to blame "Canada" or "Canadians" for their inability to adapt.
In short, I think it is who you are, not where you are.
I get that people find change difficult. One of my "things" in my former corporate life was the implementation of ERP systems. This involved a great deal of change in the way people managed their work practices and there was inevitably a great deal of resistance from the workforce. Getting people to accept the new software was a much tougher job than implementing the technology. You gradually win people round by showing them that the benefits to them outweigh the pain of learning new ways of doing things.
There was always a rump of people who just would not accept change, no matter what. They failed at their job tasks (often deliberately) and blamed the new software. Some would even go as far as to sabotage the system to prove they are right to refuse to change.
Emigration is also a huge and disruptive change. A positive person focuses on enjoying the things that are different and good and finds a workaround of things that are different and not so good. A negative person focuses on the things that are not so good, but over time comes to accept them and starts to appreciate the goods things. A very negative person gets stuck on the things that are not so good and cannot see past them.
Just like people who blame new software for their inability to do their job some immigrants prefer to blame "Canada" or "Canadians" for their inability to adapt.
In short, I think it is who you are, not where you are.
Feb 10th 2016, 5:54 pm
#56
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
When I first read this post I did wonder if the originator is the problem. Oddly enough the only instances that I can recall of being two faced involve Brits ! Claiming that Canadians have a culture of lies and two faced talk is a very sweeping generalization and a load of beaulochs. They are no different than anywhere else.
Feb 10th 2016, 6:06 pm
#58
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
I don't agree with this. I live in roughly the same place as the OP. The OP seems to have the most miserable experiences possible yet I have a great life and enjoy the people I meet.
I get that people find change difficult. One of my "things" in my former corporate life was the implementation of ERP systems. This involved a great deal of change in the way people managed their work practices and there was inevitably a great deal of resistance from the workforce. Getting people to accept the new software was a much tougher job than implementing the technology. You gradually win people round by showing them that the benefits to them outweigh the pain of learning new ways of doing things.
There was always a rump of people who just would not accept change, no matter what. They failed at their job tasks (often deliberately) and blamed the new software. Some would even go as far as to sabotage the system to prove they are right to refuse to change.
Emigration is also a huge and disruptive change. A positive person focuses on enjoying the things that are different and good and finds a workaround of things that are different and not so good. A negative person focuses on the things that are not so good, but over time comes to accept them and starts to appreciate the goods things. A very negative person gets stuck on the things that are not so good and cannot see past them.
Just like people who blame new software for their inability to do their job some immigrants prefer to blame "Canada" or "Canadians" for their inability to adapt.
In short, I think it is who you are, not where you are.
I get that people find change difficult. One of my "things" in my former corporate life was the implementation of ERP systems. This involved a great deal of change in the way people managed their work practices and there was inevitably a great deal of resistance from the workforce. Getting people to accept the new software was a much tougher job than implementing the technology. You gradually win people round by showing them that the benefits to them outweigh the pain of learning new ways of doing things.
There was always a rump of people who just would not accept change, no matter what. They failed at their job tasks (often deliberately) and blamed the new software. Some would even go as far as to sabotage the system to prove they are right to refuse to change.
Emigration is also a huge and disruptive change. A positive person focuses on enjoying the things that are different and good and finds a workaround of things that are different and not so good. A negative person focuses on the things that are not so good, but over time comes to accept them and starts to appreciate the goods things. A very negative person gets stuck on the things that are not so good and cannot see past them.
Just like people who blame new software for their inability to do their job some immigrants prefer to blame "Canada" or "Canadians" for their inability to adapt.
In short, I think it is who you are, not where you are.
I've met lovely lovely people who have gone out of their way to help us settle in, even to the point where someone I barely knew at the time volunteered her husband who I hadn't met to help us move house- we hadn't been in the country six months at the time..he duly turned up, helped us move and we've been friends since... Just one example.. I can cite many more. Likewise, I'm trying to pay it forward when I meet new people into the area.
Tbh your response to Dorothy says much about you
Feb 10th 2016, 6:07 pm
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
Emigration is also a huge and disruptive change. A positive person focuses on enjoying the things that are different and good and finds a workaround of things that are different and not so good. A negative person focuses on the things that are not so good, but over time comes to accept them and starts to appreciate the goods things. A very negative person gets stuck on the things that are not so good and cannot see past them.
Just like people who blame new software for their inability to do their job some immigrants prefer to blame "Canada" or "Canadians" for their inability to adapt.
In short, I think it is who you are, not where you are.
Then when some get to the new found land, all they do is whinge & compare to back home, the water is different, the food, the culture & why is it only me that sees this & no one else does?
Feb 10th 2016, 6:10 pm
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Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
its like those that emigrate from the UK giving the reason 'there isn't anything there for them, no future, the people, government & anything else sucks - to the UK is a shit hole' . So, I'm going to get as far away as possible to some place such as Canada or somewhere else that will be way better for me than staying in the UK
Then when some get to the new found land, all they do is whinge & compare to back home, the water is different, the food, the culture & why is it only me that sees this & no one else does?
Then when some get to the new found land, all they do is whinge & compare to back home, the water is different, the food, the culture & why is it only me that sees this & no one else does?