The country we left behind
Jan 18th 2018, 11:18 pm
#196
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Re: The country we left behind
I see problems ahead for Canada post marujana legislation, especially on the roads
Looking at the drug problem in the UK and USA, I imagine most of the hard drug users started on pot and worked their way up to oblivion. Making that first step legal can only lead to more hard core cases in the future.
What then ?
Looking at the drug problem in the UK and USA, I imagine most of the hard drug users started on pot and worked their way up to oblivion. Making that first step legal can only lead to more hard core cases in the future.
What then ?
- weed is freely available everywhere, legalization will not affect the availability
- most of the population have tried it even if they didn't inhale
- most people are not on hard drugs despite trying weed
- those who are on hard drugs will have tried weed. They'll also have tried poutine (perhaps after the weed) but correlation isn't causation
- the typical gateway to meth and heroin is prescription pain killers
- the volume of drugs widely available is such that the authorities have no hope of prosecuting all the vendors so they concentrate on public health. This means focusing on fentanyl to such an extent that it's now takes an effort to get busted for selling anything else or even operating a grow op.
- legalizing marijuana is an issue for the authorities because drug cases typically turn on the legality of the search. So long as marijuana is illegal "smelled weed" is probable cause for a search, "smelled cocaine" is not.
- the standard of driving, at least in the GTA, is such that those drivers who are not drunk could use a spliff.
Jan 19th 2018, 1:44 pm
#197
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Re: The country we left behind
In Canada, probably in the rest of the world too, but to my certain knowledge in Canada:
- weed is freely available everywhere, legalization will not affect the availability
- most of the population have tried it even if they didn't inhale
- most people are not on hard drugs despite trying weed
- those who are on hard drugs will have tried weed. They'll also have tried poutine (perhaps after the weed) but correlation isn't causation
- the typical gateway to meth and heroin is prescription pain killers
- the volume of drugs widely available is such that the authorities have no hope of prosecuting all the vendors so they concentrate on public health. This means focusing on fentanyl to such an extent that it's now takes an effort to get busted for selling anything else or even operating a grow op.
- legalizing marijuana is an issue for the authorities because drug cases typically turn on the legality of the search. So long as marijuana is illegal "smelled weed" is probable cause for a search, "smelled cocaine" is not.
- the standard of driving, at least in the GTA, is such that those drivers who are not drunk could use a spliff.
- weed is freely available everywhere, legalization will not affect the availability
- most of the population have tried it even if they didn't inhale
- most people are not on hard drugs despite trying weed
- those who are on hard drugs will have tried weed. They'll also have tried poutine (perhaps after the weed) but correlation isn't causation
- the typical gateway to meth and heroin is prescription pain killers
- the volume of drugs widely available is such that the authorities have no hope of prosecuting all the vendors so they concentrate on public health. This means focusing on fentanyl to such an extent that it's now takes an effort to get busted for selling anything else or even operating a grow op.
- legalizing marijuana is an issue for the authorities because drug cases typically turn on the legality of the search. So long as marijuana is illegal "smelled weed" is probable cause for a search, "smelled cocaine" is not.
- the standard of driving, at least in the GTA, is such that those drivers who are not drunk could use a spliff.
the point about prescription painkillers is particularly true. Despite there being a well documented issue with over prescribing of painkillers and a lucrative black market in them, I couldn't believe the quantities in which I was prescribed them for a simple tooth extraction.
I didn't fill the script. Tylenol was all that was needed
Jan 19th 2018, 2:17 pm
#198
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Re: The country we left behind
Sadly i can't say I disagree with any of the above.
the point about prescription painkillers is particularly true. Despite there being a well documented issue with over prescribing of painkillers and a lucrative black market in them, I couldn't believe the quantities in which I was prescribed them for a simple tooth extraction.
I didn't fill the script. Tylenol was all that was needed
the point about prescription painkillers is particularly true. Despite there being a well documented issue with over prescribing of painkillers and a lucrative black market in them, I couldn't believe the quantities in which I was prescribed them for a simple tooth extraction.
I didn't fill the script. Tylenol was all that was needed
Really?
Jan 19th 2018, 4:46 pm
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Jan 19th 2018, 4:47 pm
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Jan 19th 2018, 5:06 pm
#203
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Re: The country we left behind
Worth keeping a few painkillers for emergencies, but I consider the Ritalin a no-no for anyone with an old heart. I think they used to be the rage on the street here mixed with Talwin to make a sort of kitchen heroin.
Jan 19th 2018, 5:24 pm
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Jan 19th 2018, 8:34 pm
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Re: The country we left behind
Souvy.
Yes, I live in Canada.
I am 76 years old------What you would probably call a " dinosaur "
You too will be older and wiser one day.
Just kidding!
Yes, I live in Canada.
I am 76 years old------What you would probably call a " dinosaur "
You too will be older and wiser one day.
Just kidding!
Jan 19th 2018, 8:43 pm
#206
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Re: The country we left behind
i don't think Souvy commented. It might have been me. Dunno.
But I'm already old and wiser thanks. Have been all my life.
Jan 19th 2018, 8:57 pm
#207
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Re: The country we left behind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Dai...l_Use_of_Drugs
"About 12,000 people attended and participated in these hearings, which included testimony from a number of prominent individuals including John Lennon on 22 December 1969 in Montreal, Quebec.[3]"
[Originally Posted by Novocastrian
S/hes aso younger than us, I think."] Last edited by caretaker; Jan 19th 2018 at 9:34 pm. Reason: Cheers Novo!
Feb 5th 2018, 11:17 am
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Re: The country we left behind
DPD courier who was fined for day off to see doctor dies from diabetes
A courier for the parcel giant DPD who was fined for attending a medical appointment to treat his diabetes collapsed and died of the disease...under pressure to cover his round and faced DPD’s £150 daily penalties...collapsed twice, including once into a diabetic coma while at the wheel of his DPD van during deliveries, when the company fined him in July after he went to see a specialist about eye damage caused by diabetes. He collapsed again in September and finally in late December having worked through illness during the Christmas rush. He died at the Royal Bournemouth hospital on 4 January
Feb 5th 2018, 11:21 am
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Re: The country we left behind
Feb 5th 2018, 11:45 am
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Re: The country we left behind
Poor man having to go through that and poor family to be left behind...
The article was a bit too close to home. While hubby was looking for a job he worked for 8 months as a courier. He’s 53 and diabetic... to earn the money you have to work a 12/14 hr day which doesn’t really leave much time for your health.
Thankfully there was never any suggestion of being fined but he never went to any doctors appointments during that time, only taking time off for interviews.
This is 2018 right?