The country we left behind
#16
Re: The country we left behind
There's nothing you can do to fix that, other than wipe the slate clean and start over.
And that's before you take account of the massive technological changes that are going to happen in the next twenty years, which no government in the world has any idea how to handle. Certainly not a tired old socialist like Corbyn, whose entire philosophy is based in the industrial-era world that's disappearing right now.
#17
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Theresa May's government has done virtually nothing save try to deal with Brexit which was Cameron's failed attempt to deal with a Conservative Party schism. Exactly how is that serving the ordinary people of Britain?
#18
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Only an idiot would think that a Labour government would lead to instant utopia. But it might, MIGHT, just swing the pendulum back from the City financiers and fanatical Eurosceptics and foreign oligarchs just slightly in favour of the 50-odd other million people who live here.
Theresa May's government has done virtually nothing save try to deal with Brexit which was Cameron's failed attempt to deal with a Conservative Party schism. Exactly how is that serving the ordinary people of Britain?
Theresa May's government has done virtually nothing save try to deal with Brexit which was Cameron's failed attempt to deal with a Conservative Party schism. Exactly how is that serving the ordinary people of Britain?
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Re: The country we left behind
There is something not quite right about this original story. The lady tragically was found dead in her flat supposedly due to freezing because she couldn't afford to heat the home when her children were at school. It was between 10 and 13 degrees in Runcorn on the day she died, is that cold enough to kill you if you don't have the heat on between 8am and 4pm?
#21
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But she's described as having severe medical issues including depression and an eating disorder. In and out of hospital in intensive care. Benefits cut/stopped numerous times so battle after battle. Housing taking her to court so likely a threat to accommodation as well as income.
If she's not well nourished that might be enough on its own.
State of the accommodation might be a factor too.
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Re: The country we left behind
Agreed:
For these reasons:
It's a sad state of affairs when people die because a man made economic system means there are people who haven't worked a day in their lives, born into oil wealth driving gold plated Ferraris around London. On the pavements of the very same streets walk people who need to go to food banks despite working full time.
I used to hate the thought of Corbyn, but I think the current political system is so detached from the plight of the common man that we need a wild card in there to shake things up.
I'm not a fool and so I recognise the limitations of the system, but the system is so devoid of equality that the system should change. It doesn't serve the masses, it serves the few.
For these reasons:
I used to hate the thought of Corbyn, but I think the current political system is so detached from the plight of the common man that we need a wild card in there to shake things up.
I'm not a fool and so I recognise the limitations of the system, but the system is so devoid of equality that the system should change. It doesn't serve the masses, it serves the few.
Last edited by Shakyuk; Nov 17th 2017 at 7:22 am.
#23
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Agreed:
For these reasons:
It's a sad state of affairs when people die because a man made economic system means there are people who haven't worked a day in their lives, born into oil wealth driving gold plated Ferraris around London. On the pavements of the very same streets walk people who need to go to food banks despite working full time.
I used to hate the thought of Corbyn, but I think the current political system is so detached from the plight of the common man that we need a wild card in there to shake things up.
I'm not a fool and so I recognise the limitations of the system, but the system is so devoid of equality that the system should change. It doesn't serve the masses, it serves the few.
For these reasons:
It's a sad state of affairs when people die because a man made economic system means there are people who haven't worked a day in their lives, born into oil wealth driving gold plated Ferraris around London. On the pavements of the very same streets walk people who need to go to food banks despite working full time.
I used to hate the thought of Corbyn, but I think the current political system is so detached from the plight of the common man that we need a wild card in there to shake things up.
I'm not a fool and so I recognise the limitations of the system, but the system is so devoid of equality that the system should change. It doesn't serve the masses, it serves the few.
I agree, I used to think Corbyn a bit of a joke, but I am seeing he is a man of compassion and great integrity, especially on nuclear disarmament, and think he would be an improvement on the current crowd.
#24
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I agree that things need shaking up....the UK is not in good shape, but Corbyn? he may be a "wild" card too far...... compassionate maybe, but I think he is dangerously irresponsible.
#25
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Remember labour leadership of the past, remember them preaching in Trafalgar Square and marching to Aldermaston proud to be members of CND, remember them in power? Does anyone remember them, even Michael Foot as a minister, getting rid of any nuclear weapons?
Politicians and civil servants alike do what's in the interests of politicians and civil servants and between them they've built up a cozy inertia that masquerades as the government. The rest of us are here to keep quiet and pay our taxes.. but don't be fooled by their rhetoric.. they're all the same.
#26
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Cloud cuckoo land I'm afraid. If Corbyn and the labour party were elected today, nothing would change tomorrow. The thought that one politician, who may just may have a little integrity, could change the course of the commons from being self serving to one of compassion is ludicrous.
Remember labour leadership of the past, remember them preaching in Trafalgar Square and marching to Aldermaston proud to be members of CND, remember them in power? Does anyone remember them, even Michael Foot as a minister, getting rid of any nuclear weapons?
Politicians and civil servants alike do what's in the interests of politicians and civil servants and between them they've built up a cozy inertia that masquerades as the government. The rest of us are here to keep quiet and pay our taxes.. but don't be fooled by their rhetoric.. they're all the same.
Remember labour leadership of the past, remember them preaching in Trafalgar Square and marching to Aldermaston proud to be members of CND, remember them in power? Does anyone remember them, even Michael Foot as a minister, getting rid of any nuclear weapons?
Politicians and civil servants alike do what's in the interests of politicians and civil servants and between them they've built up a cozy inertia that masquerades as the government. The rest of us are here to keep quiet and pay our taxes.. but don't be fooled by their rhetoric.. they're all the same.
#27
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My personal involvement with MPs has instructed me how they exploit their supporters, ignore those who vote for them and follow the party whip even when it's patently disastrous to do so. They do this because on the whole they want to maintain their position on the greasy pole. I can think of very few politicians that I'd call statesmen, many that I'd call criminals and most that I'd call jelly. But I'm a realist, what's the alternative? Like most people I'm too honest to be a politician so we're stuck with what we've got and that's our fault because we recognise integrity when we see it and we laugh at it.
Last edited by dave_j; Nov 17th 2017 at 4:54 pm.
#29
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Cloud cuckoo land I'm afraid. If Corbyn and the labour party were elected today, nothing would change tomorrow. The thought that one politician, who may just may have a little integrity, could change the course of the commons from being self serving to one of compassion is ludicrous.
Her first name began with M.
#30
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Only an idiot would think that a Labour government would lead to instant utopia. But it might, MIGHT, just swing the pendulum back from the City financiers and fanatical Eurosceptics and foreign oligarchs just slightly in favour of the 50-odd other million people who live here.
Theresa May's government has done virtually nothing save try to deal with Brexit which was Cameron's failed attempt to deal with a Conservative Party schism.
But so is every other leader of every major political party in the UK. None of them are prepared for the technological steamroller that's rattling down the road toward them.
Exactly how is that serving the ordinary people of Britain?
But it really doesn't matter. Whether Tories, Labour, or Monster Raving Loonies win, it's only a question of how fast the whole thing collapses. And Britain will be a much better place after it splits into half a dozen nations.