BC Teachers strike
Jun 17th 2014, 10:07 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
There's absolutely no empirical evidence that reduced class sizes that the BCTF is arguing for, has any positive outcomes on student academic achievement. In fact, I believe there is research that shows the opposite, though I can't be arsed to look it up now the football's back on.
Jun 17th 2014, 10:08 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
The BCTF is broke and can't afford strike pay anymore and it'll amount to thousands out of teachers pockets, not least they'll loose their end of year signing bonuses. The position is so week yet they've acted like they're 1960s TUC. The issue is that the public sees teachers as privileged professionals. In the battle for hearts and minds, they won't win.
I think that's just indefensible! Shame on you Chalky!
Jun 17th 2014, 10:10 pm
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Jun 17th 2014, 10:10 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
One of my neighbours is a teacher. I saw her walking the dog earlier, so she was enjoying the day off.
Jun 17th 2014, 10:17 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
Our neighbour, who is not a fully patched member of a school but some sort of Surestart person, has been pressganged and brow beaten into doing her time on the picket line. Not sure If I've posted this before or just ranted at home about it, but she was telling me that because she's in the Union but not a "proper" teacher, she has to do a 4 hour stint on the picket line. The "proper" professional teachers only have to do 2 hour stints.
I think that's just indefensible! Shame on you Chalky!
I think that's just indefensible! Shame on you Chalky!
Jun 17th 2014, 10:19 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
These are the current numbers as told by the BCTF (reported by CBC) ...
Iker said the BCTF brought a significantly lower wage offer to the talks, cutting their salary demands to eight per cent over five years, but with a $5,000 signing bonus. That would have put them within one per cent of the original government offer, he said.
In contrast, Iker said, the government returned with a reduced wage offer — from 7.25 per cent to seven per cent — with the original $1,200 signing offer.
That offer — either seven per cent over six years (or 8.5 per cent over seven years) — was, sources told CBC, the result of changes to the ratio between a proposed wage increase and concomitant lower benefits.
The original government offer of 7.25 per cent included a 0.75 per cent reduction in benefits which was rejected by the BCTF.
The new offer of seven per cent will not involve any claw back in terms of benefits, so in effect is a 0.5 per cent increase on the original offer.
Iker said the BCTF brought a significantly lower wage offer to the talks, cutting their salary demands to eight per cent over five years, but with a $5,000 signing bonus. That would have put them within one per cent of the original government offer, he said.
In contrast, Iker said, the government returned with a reduced wage offer — from 7.25 per cent to seven per cent — with the original $1,200 signing offer.
That offer — either seven per cent over six years (or 8.5 per cent over seven years) — was, sources told CBC, the result of changes to the ratio between a proposed wage increase and concomitant lower benefits.
The original government offer of 7.25 per cent included a 0.75 per cent reduction in benefits which was rejected by the BCTF.
The new offer of seven per cent will not involve any claw back in terms of benefits, so in effect is a 0.5 per cent increase on the original offer.
Jun 17th 2014, 10:21 pm
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Jun 17th 2014, 10:22 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
These are the current numbers as told by the BCTF (reported by CBC) ...
Iker said the BCTF brought a significantly lower wage offer to the talks, cutting their salary demands to eight per cent over five years, but with a $5,000 signing bonus. That would have put them within one per cent of the original government offer, he said.
In contrast, Iker said, the government returned with a reduced wage offer — from 7.25 per cent to seven per cent — with the original $1,200 signing offer.
That offer — either seven per cent over six years (or 8.5 per cent over seven years) — was, sources told CBC, the result of changes to the ratio between a proposed wage increase and concomitant lower benefits.
The original government offer of 7.25 per cent included a 0.75 per cent reduction in benefits which was rejected by the BCTF.
The new offer of seven per cent will not involve any claw back in terms of benefits, so in effect is a 0.5 per cent increase on the original offer.
Iker said the BCTF brought a significantly lower wage offer to the talks, cutting their salary demands to eight per cent over five years, but with a $5,000 signing bonus. That would have put them within one per cent of the original government offer, he said.
In contrast, Iker said, the government returned with a reduced wage offer — from 7.25 per cent to seven per cent — with the original $1,200 signing offer.
That offer — either seven per cent over six years (or 8.5 per cent over seven years) — was, sources told CBC, the result of changes to the ratio between a proposed wage increase and concomitant lower benefits.
The original government offer of 7.25 per cent included a 0.75 per cent reduction in benefits which was rejected by the BCTF.
The new offer of seven per cent will not involve any claw back in terms of benefits, so in effect is a 0.5 per cent increase on the original offer.
No idea if this is, actually true, but if it is then.....WELL.......REALLY......
Jun 17th 2014, 10:35 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
I read this too. What I have also been told - and I really don't know if this is true - is that the wage increases they are asking for, are OVER AND ABOVE the cost of living increases they get automatically.
No idea if this is, actually true, but if it is then.....WELL.......REALLY......
No idea if this is, actually true, but if it is then.....WELL.......REALLY......
Are you confusing cost of living increases with seniority?
Jun 17th 2014, 10:38 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
These are the current numbers as told by the BCTF (reported by CBC) ...
Iker said the BCTF brought a significantly lower wage offer to the talks, cutting their salary demands to eight per cent over five years, but with a $5,000 signing bonus. That would have put them within one per cent of the original government offer, he said.
In contrast, Iker said, the government returned with a reduced wage offer — from 7.25 per cent to seven per cent — with the original $1,200 signing offer.
That offer — either seven per cent over six years (or 8.5 per cent over seven years) — was, sources told CBC, the result of changes to the ratio between a proposed wage increase and concomitant lower benefits.
The original government offer of 7.25 per cent included a 0.75 per cent reduction in benefits which was rejected by the BCTF.
The new offer of seven per cent will not involve any claw back in terms of benefits, so in effect is a 0.5 per cent increase on the original offer.
Iker said the BCTF brought a significantly lower wage offer to the talks, cutting their salary demands to eight per cent over five years, but with a $5,000 signing bonus. That would have put them within one per cent of the original government offer, he said.
In contrast, Iker said, the government returned with a reduced wage offer — from 7.25 per cent to seven per cent — with the original $1,200 signing offer.
That offer — either seven per cent over six years (or 8.5 per cent over seven years) — was, sources told CBC, the result of changes to the ratio between a proposed wage increase and concomitant lower benefits.
The original government offer of 7.25 per cent included a 0.75 per cent reduction in benefits which was rejected by the BCTF.
The new offer of seven per cent will not involve any claw back in terms of benefits, so in effect is a 0.5 per cent increase on the original offer.
And 8% over 5 years is hardly profligate, is it?
Jun 17th 2014, 10:39 pm
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Re: BC Teachers strike
Just stoking the fires a bit.
Jun 17th 2014, 11:01 pm
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The bit below is important too - overall it is 0.5% better than their previous offer.
I don't begrudge them a raise. I do object to being treated as an idiot.
And 8% over 5 years is hardly profligate, is it?
Jun 17th 2014, 11:10 pm
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I also don't know the average salary of BC teachers, but $5K OTO over 5 years also doesn't sound out of expectation.
Jun 18th 2014, 12:23 am
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