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Old Jul 13th 2017, 2:29 pm   #1
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Until recently I've been using Glary. Simple and it always looks like it's 'doing stuff' to put it technically.

Having said that I remember reading once that while some of these things look impressive - like registry repairs - they're actually not doing much, it just looks good. Something like that anyway.

I decided to take a look at AVG - just the tune up, not the antivirus. Windows Defender is supposed to be good enough for that although on this laptop I still have ZoneAlarm. Yes, yes, I know.......but it's still doing a fine job on this laptop.

I installed AVG expecting a free basic one to try but it was a month's free trial.

I have to say I'm impressed. Three reasons really. It seemed as easy as Glary, with easy to understand warnings.

There was a feature that put things to sleep (supposedly to not use resources - which sounds good) and simply opened when you wanted to use it and was sent back to sleep after.

But what I most enjoyed was the recovery of 43gbs.

In the 'free up space' part there was potential to free up something significant and a big part was about deleting restore points.

To my non techie mind I thought if there are loads, why would you need them? If it's running well "right now" then you only need the last one. And, if necessary, you can create one again after they've been deleted.

I noticed there was an exclamation mark next to the checkbox. Once selected, this told me it would keep the last restore point, so great, I don't even need to do it.

So I selected it and a couple of other things. I was staggered to see available HDD space increased by 43gb.
I never got anything like this with Glary.

I may well take up their offer and pay. I think it was $50 a year (or $6 a month) and a potential first year discount and including all the family devices.

Anyone have any thoughts? Aside from the recovery, is it mostly cosmetics? Does the free tune-up include these things anyway? Does something else?

I saw in the antivirus thread something about bloatware with the antivirus version. There didn't seem to be any in the Tune-up version.
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Old Jul 13th 2017, 4:20 pm   #2
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$50 a year? For that money you could buy another hard drive and have the free space anyways.
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Old Jul 13th 2017, 5:33 pm   #3
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$50 a year? For that money you could buy another hard drive and have the free space anyways.
Agreed.

To be honest, I see no value in running any of this stuff. Quite the opposite in some cases.
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Old Jul 13th 2017, 6:08 pm   #4
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$50 a year? For that money you could buy another hard drive and have the free space anyways.
That doesn't sound very environmentally friendly, not to mention the actual work involved
Remember it's across unlimited family devices - five in our case. It looks a better deal than five hard drives.

Seriously though, it's why I wondered if that particular aspect was available on the free version or some other alternative.

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To be honest, I see no value in running any of this stuff. Quite the opposite in some cases.
So you side with the purely cosmetic argument I read elsewhere then.

What about that putting other stuff to sleep feature, does that not make a difference?

Whenever I've been conscious of a minor but noticeable slowdown, running Glary or a scan with ZA, Superantispyware or malwarebytes has my laptop working better.

Perhaps they only come into their own on mid-level machines without SSDs and 16gb RAM or the more expensive ones that the Guardian's Jack uses.
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That doesn't sound very environmentally friendly, not to mention the actual work involved
Remember it's across unlimited family devices - five in our case. It looks a better deal than five hard drives.

Seriously though, it's why I wondered if that particular aspect was available on the free version or some other alternative.


So you side with the purely cosmetic argument I read elsewhere then.

What about that putting other stuff to sleep feature, does that not make a difference?

Whenever I've been conscious of a minor but noticeable slowdown, running Glary or a scan with ZA, Superantispyware or malwarebytes has my laptop working better.

Perhaps they only come into their own on mid-level machines without SSDs and 16gb RAM or the more expensive ones that the Guardian's Jack uses.
I think there is definite value in being aware of Malware (Malwarebytes is my go-to but there are others).

Reclaiming space on a hard drive, as you did by removing (some, not all) Restore Points also has value if HD space is restricted, but you can do this in Windows anyhow, and allocate how much space it devotes to it in future for that matter.

I'm not so keen on stuff that claims to do a "tune up". it's all a bit peddled-out-the-back-of-a-wagon for my tastes.

Stuff like "Registry Cleaners" are pure snake oil. Ditto anything that "optimizes memory", whatever that means.
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Stuff like "Registry Cleaners" are pure snake oil. Ditto anything that "optimizes memory", whatever that means.
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Anyone else?
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A combination of CCleaner (Free) and a commercial Antivirus programme/ Spyware protector is all you need. I would recommend BITDEFENDER or KASPERSKY.

Windows defender and zone alarm are both hopelessly outdated and not up to the job any more.
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Windows defender and zone alarm are both hopelessly outdated and not up to the job any more.
I had a shock last week. The refurbished laptop my stepson has been using for just over a year, I expected to be riddled with all sorts of stuff given the sites he mostly accesses - only some of it porn - and the lack of care he exercises when on it, like installing things piggybacking on other stuff.

But he now has the one my mother in law was using before I bought her a new one.

I had a bit of a cleanup on it with a variety of scans...Absolutely nothing that shouldn't have been there.

All this time he's been using ZomeAlarm when I thought he had Avast.
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...Reclaiming space on a hard drive, as you did by removing (some, not all) Restore Points also has value if HD space is restricted, but you can do this in Windows anyhow, and allocate how much space it devotes to it in future for that matter....
I'm now on my new W10 laptop and I took a look at the allocated space. It's preset to 1%, so 10gb.

Out of curiosity I checked the W7 one and it was set at 10% which was 50gb.

So it seems the reason AVG recovered a lot of space was because the restore allocation had been set to fill up

Taking this on board together with the snake oil theory about the registry repairs and other stuff, AVG Tune-up's appeal is now only limited to the putting 'unnecessary' stuff to sleep until used and then back to sleep after use. Is there value in that?
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I'm now on my new W10 laptop and I took a look at the allocated space. It's preset to 1%, so 10gb.

Out of curiosity I checked the W7 one and it was set at 10% which was 50gb.

So it seems the reason AVG recovered a lot of space was because the restore allocation had been set to fill up

Taking this on board together with the snake oil theory about the registry repairs and other stuff, AVG Tune-up's appeal is now only limited to the putting 'unnecessary' stuff to sleep until used and then back to sleep after use. Is there value in that?
Depends on the stuff I guess. If you run MSConfig you can see what is set to launch and what isn't. Assuming everything on that list is legit and nothing has snuck in there unannounced, you should be all set. If you see something you don't recognize then maybe dig a little deeper (start with google) and find out what it is before deciding to kill it.
Turning off system processes 9Task Manager) isn't something I would do in the normal course of events. Windows knows how to handle those far better than I do.
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Depends on the stuff I guess. If you run MSConfig you can see what is set to launch and what isn't. ...
That's the problem though. Knowing what can be turned off without it being some vital part of something.

Conversely, some of the stuff in there is showing 'stopped' and you wonder why it's there if it's not going.

CNG Key Isolation? Link-layer topology discovery? Distributed transaction coordinator? What the hell are these things? They're all official MS or Intel things. At least they are proper words, unlike SSDP something or other

The AVG feature just allowed you to select the whole lot without having to worry about any individual part because it starts when needed and shuts off again when not.

Maybe it's in the free one.
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That's the problem though. Knowing what can be turned off without it being some vital part of something.

Conversely, some of the stuff in there is showing 'stopped' and you wonder why it's there if it's not going.

CNG Key Isolation? Link-layer topology discovery? Distributed transaction coordinator? What the hell are these things? They're all official MS or Intel things. At least they are proper words, unlike SSDP something or other

The AVG feature just allowed you to select the whole lot without having to worry about any individual part because it starts when needed and shuts off again when not.

Maybe it's in the free one.
Unless it's malware, or something stupid like "Adobe helper", I'm not sure why would want to turn something off. Additionally, if something is shown as "stopped" then it is doing exactly what you are (I think) after. Nothing, until it is needed.
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Unless it's malware, or something stupid like "Adobe helper", I'm not sure why would want to turn something off. Additionally, if something is shown as "stopped" then it is doing exactly what you are (I think) after. Nothing, until it is needed.
As far as I'm able to tell, all those things listed are relatively minor things.

Here's a google image as a sample of the sort of turn off/sleep AVG offers. These things are bigger and don't appear to be in MSconfig, although they are probably in task manager processes. AVG says that while they are running they consume resources. That sounds feasible to my unskilled mind.

Of course there may be no significant benefit in having them off. It might be more snake oil.

But when things you don't use are running, there are sometimes little reminders of their existence. Like Cortana pops in to say hello or the little ad that's attached to Kingsoft or an update reminder to something that can wait until I want to use it. Your adobe helper example might well be the kind of thing I'm on about.

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As far as I'm able to tell, all those things listed are relatively minor things.

Here's a google image as a sample of the sort of turn off/sleep AVG offers. These things are bigger and don't appear to be in MSconfig, although they are probably in task manager processes. AVG says that while they are running they consume resources. That sounds feasible to my unskilled mind.

Of course there may be no significant benefit in having them off. It might be more snake oil.

But when things you don't use are running, there are sometimes little reminders of their existence. Like Cortana pops in to say hello or the little ad that's attached to Kingsoft or an update reminder to something that can wait until I want to use it. Your adobe helper example might well be the kind of thing I'm on about.

https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/2683519...e-1200x750.jpg
The only thing I would worry about from that image is AVG PC TuneUp.

Why is Bootcamp listed btw?
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Why is Bootcamp listed btw?
No idea. I don't even know what it is. Just a random image, not my computer.

Office 365 is there and I'm really not interested in it. But I have noticed that some websites have an email button and if I want to contact them, clicking on the button now takes me to Outlook.com.

I have Thunderbird set as my default email yet the link doesn't take me there and I can only email the company website via Outlook.

I imagine if 365 was sent to sleep, perhaps it wouldn't happen.

Scrub that...I thought Thunderbird was set as the default. Looks like it wasn't.

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