Schools, teachers, kids and parents. Education in general.
Had to go and talk to the teacher again after school today *sighs* this was after the bidello let me walk through the gate and up to the teacher who had wanted to speak to me!! :curse: It's funny how the Italian parents are allowed to crowd around and inside of the gate and go up to teachers after school without invitation but I am not. Do you think it's cos I'm English and superior?? :sneaky::sneaky:
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Originally Posted by K in Modena
(Post 7979963)
Hi, I've been reading this thread for a while without contributing (you're all very entertaining!) but I just wanted to say to Indiebird, I want to slap those teachers! Makes me worried about having kids here- if/when we do, their Italian father will definitely be dragged along to meetings with the teachers!
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Originally Posted by K in Modena
(Post 7979963)
Hi, I've been reading this thread for a while without contributing (you're all very entertaining!) but I just wanted to say to Indiebird, I want to slap those teachers! Makes me worried about having kids here- if/when we do, their Italian father will definitely be dragged along to meetings with the teachers!
Hang on in there, you have the moral high ground! ;) We did go to the International School (American) in the South of Torino, but it would have been a long travel for either the kids to school or for dh to work each day and they only got an hours worth of italian lessons a week which seemed a bit crazy to us when you are living somewhere where not much English is spoken outside of school. Also, a lot of the people who send their kids there have serious money and we knew we could never compete at all with any of that and we don't want to either and so the kids went to the local school. I don't want to put anyone off. I'm only talking from personal experience really. In some ways I do wish we'd settled in the city a bit more or in the next town which is slightly bigger and where the schools do have more experience of dealing with kids who are not italian and may not speak italian as their first language. This might have been better in reality... |
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Originally Posted by 37100
(Post 7979970)
Ah, but if you drag daddy along the teachers (female) while give him that 'poor you, wife can't cope with such a small thing as school and needs you to lean on' look. Then she'll smile sweetly at him and reassure him things are fine. Then next time she sees you, she'll give you even more grief.
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I'm still not sure if some of Chloe's teachers are a bit wary of me - but if they are that's fine. I do know that one bit of Britishness that they like and appreciate is all the please and thank yous that have rubbed off on my kids.
Chloe took a book into school last year to show her teacher. It was a beautiful hardback called "365 creative things to do for every day of the year" or something like that. The teacher knocked it off her big desk and damaged the spine. She waited for me at the school gates to apologise in person and told me that she'd keep the damaged one and order a brand new for Chloe from the book shop. I didn't think it was necessary as the damage was minimal but I thought it was nice of her to insist. The new preside and collaborators are making some changes as well. The school menu has got about 8 new dishes on it this year and instead of going from month to month it now goes for two months before starting over back at the beginning again. He is also introducing for the very first time ever an after school club 3 days a week. Kids can stay in school until 2.30pm - 4pm or even 6pm. Price will depend on how many people sign up for it and for how many shifts. |
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I know you're a bit out in the sticks Lorna, but our locally elementary school (and I'm boasting here) has pre AND dopo scuola. It also so has a sort of art's school next door where the kids can do painting, music theatre and a limited number of sports.
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Originally Posted by 37100
(Post 7980222)
I know you're a bit out in the sticks Lorna, but our locally elementary school (and I'm boasting here) has pre AND dopo scuola. It also so has a sort of art's school next door where the kids can do painting, music theatre and a limited number of sports.
The new one is younger and more modern. So far he has implemented the option of the settimana corta (no Saturday morning school), a better and larger school menu, banned homework on Saturdays and now the "Happy scuola" programme. That's what it is going to be called. I have to get to the shop now. Chloe asked me to write a note in her book this morning saying - "sorry teacher - I forgot to go and buy even more copertine yesterday so Chloe's books are not covered in plastic yet. I'll get some today - promise." So I'd better go and buy some. And the bloody text books are larger this year than ever before and don't fit into the ready made copertine. :frown: |
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We do have pre and dopo scuola here so some kids are in that place from 7.30-6pm 5 days a week. Seems a bit cruel to me but you gotta do what you need to sometimes dontcha? The school is quite modern and the Presida does seem to want to implement a lot of new initiatives but the teachers seem a bit set in their ways and I don't think they always fully support the initiatives. Also some of the parents seem to me to be downright obstructive too so that must make life difficult. but all schools are certainly not equal. There are a couple of frazioni (is that right??!!) that come under this place and times there are only short days most days and saturday mornings, and there is a sizeable number of parents that I know who hate the big school here and drive their kids (or stick them on the bus) to the other schools, seems slightly weird to me as my son still gets a load of homework so I wonder if they do actually learn more stuff in a year if they go tempo pieno. I was always really involved in the school in the UK as a Governor and as an offerer of my time to go and listen to the readers and generally help out with whatever I had the time to, but that really ain't the done thing here.
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Parents can certainly be an obstruction.
I will never forget when I was fighting for the settimana corta when Chloe was due to start school.... one woman actually stood up and in front of everybody said "what's all the fuss you're making? Personally I can't wait for mine to be out of my balls on a Saturday morning." She really did say "fuori dei coglioni". Mind you, I wasn't the only one who thought that was a terrible thing to say. Another person, a father this time, stood up and said "I bet you're one of those ball breaking career woman aren't you. The school is not there for you to use as a babysitter in the afternoons you know." That really pissed me off and I answered him back but I knew then that it was impossible to get round certain mentalities. |
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Right - I'm the one today that's going to be writing a serious note - to Alex's teachers today.
Just picked the little mite up and he is so annoyed. Today for the first time the teacher said that they'd all go to the gym. Alex already had his brand new trainers in a little pump bag at school that they all need for PE day but the teacher made him and another boy stand at the wall the whole time because they weren't wearing a poper proper tracksuit. Bloody hell. He was wearing light and comfy cotton trousers and a t.shirt. In the 3 years that Chloe has been at school, nobody ever said she needed a proper tracksuit - just comfy, light and easy to move in clothes. Chloe has done PE in everything from jogging bottoms and t-shirts to leggings to 3/4 length trousers. Alex has got one proper tracksuit that nonna bought - and the trousers fall off him constantly as he is skinny and they don't have a drawstring or adjustable elastic on buttons. I am not going out and spending 30 or more Euro on a tracksuit for him here ! |
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Originally Posted by Lorna at Vicenza
(Post 7980704)
Right - I'm the one today that's going to be writing a serious note - to Alex's teachers today.
Just picked the little mite up and he is so annoyed. Today for the first time the teacher said that they'd all go to the gym. Alex already had his brand new trainers in a little pump bag at school that they all need for PE day but the teacher made him and another boy stand at the wall the whole time because they weren't wearing a poper proper tracksuit. Bloody hell. He was wearing light and comfy cotton trousers and a t.shirt. In the 3 years that Chloe has been at school, nobody ever said she needed a proper tracksuit - just comfy, light and easy to move in clothes. Chloe has done PE in everything from jogging bottoms and t-shirts to leggings to 3/4 length trousers. Alex has got one proper tracksuit that nonna bought - and the trousers fall off him constantly as he is skinny and they don't have a drawstring or adjustable elastic on buttons. I am not going out and spending 30 or more Euro on a tracksuit for him here ! |
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Originally Posted by Lorna at Vicenza
(Post 7980704)
Right - I'm the one today that's going to be writing a serious note - to Alex's teachers today.
Just picked the little mite up and he is so annoyed. Today for the first time the teacher said that they'd all go to the gym. Alex already had his brand new trainers in a little pump bag at school that they all need for PE day but the teacher made him and another boy stand at the wall the whole time because they weren't wearing a poper proper tracksuit. Bloody hell. He was wearing light and comfy cotton trousers and a t.shirt. In the 3 years that Chloe has been at school, nobody ever said she needed a proper tracksuit - just comfy, light and easy to move in clothes. Chloe has done PE in everything from jogging bottoms and t-shirts to leggings to 3/4 length trousers. Alex has got one proper tracksuit that nonna bought - and the trousers fall off him constantly as he is skinny and they don't have a drawstring or adjustable elastic on buttons. I am not going out and spending 30 or more Euro on a tracksuit for him here ! Oh it just never stops does it :frown: How mean and petty to single him out like that - they need a serious course here in Italy called 'How to drag your teachers into the 21st century' :p But as I think 37100 said recently - no matter what, over here the teachers are always right ! Bloody annoying though. |
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Originally Posted by Patty
(Post 7980975)
Oh it just never stops does it :frown: How mean and petty to single him out like that - they need a serious course here in Italy called 'How to drag your teachers into the 21st century' :p But as I think 37100 said recently - no matter what, over here the teachers are always right ! Bloody annoying though.
OH was bloody fuming. I aked Alex to show me what the teacher made him do in the gym. He stood with his back to a wall and his arms folded and then he said "she let me sit on the floor after a bit." I wanted to cry for him. I told his teacher that in the 3 years his sister has been at school, a tracksuit was never a must - just comfy and light clothes. I told his teacher that he doesn't own a proper proper tracksuit but lots of jogging style trousers (which it is still much too warm for) and lots of t-shirts and some zip up tops (too warm for them too). I told her that he will be wearing these until Christmas and then I will look for a tracksuit for him in England where kids' clothes are much much cheaper. OH said I should have added that we will of course accept a donation from the teacher or the school or a voucher for the sports shop .... but that was too cheeky even for me !!!!! |
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Naughty you Lorna not having the books covered before now!! :p I hate those plastic covers. They are no good for clumsy mothers like me who are not very dexterous. the tape at the sides gets stuck on everything but the place it is supposed to and more than once I've had to wrench it off as you cannot close the book once I've had a go!! :rofl::rofl: and then there is my lopsided cutting especially after you've covered 6books already in one evening and cannot be arsed to cut neatly!!
We had no nasty notes today and I feel really happy. Sad innit!!?? :o:o Dd did treat me to a fantastic rendition of if you're happy and you know it' in Italian outside the school too. lovely!! :thumbsup: |
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p.s Lorna, keep us posted of what the reaction to your note is. I would cry for my kids if they were made to do that. How are you supposed to integrate if the teachers single you out like that!!??
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