Residency-A Story
Jul 4th 2017, 6:48 am
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You were lucky that your region lets you "buy in". Many of them don't.
Jul 4th 2017, 6:52 am
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To the commune yesterday with our health care bits of paper, including proof of payment which was needed, and every other bit of paper relating to our identity, house purchase and residency application that we could think of.
All pretty straightforward, helped by our translator.
There was some repeating of the explanation of the S1 needed again, although this had been explained before to the same people. A visit to 'the bosses' office. A nod, some photocopying, some stamping, some stapling, a handshake and we are now officially residents!
A further visit next week with photographs, €5.74 and, presumably all the other papers again, so we can get an Id card or Id papers. We're not quite sure what format these will take.
After a short wait to let the details percolate into the computer systems, maybe a couple of weeks, we will need to visit another office so the IMU (property tax) can be calculated from when we bought our house and the date of the residency application. Currently, IMU is not payable for residents in prima casa but we have a liability for the period when we were not residents.
We await our Tessera Sanitaria (a card that confirms our status in the health system) which will arrive, eventually, in our mailbox.
Hopefully, everything done before Italy sleeps in August!
All my understanding only. Experiences may prove different and I will report back.
Now onto sorting out our taxation status. Maybe another long thread on the way
All pretty straightforward, helped by our translator.
There was some repeating of the explanation of the S1 needed again, although this had been explained before to the same people. A visit to 'the bosses' office. A nod, some photocopying, some stamping, some stapling, a handshake and we are now officially residents!
A further visit next week with photographs, €5.74 and, presumably all the other papers again, so we can get an Id card or Id papers. We're not quite sure what format these will take.
After a short wait to let the details percolate into the computer systems, maybe a couple of weeks, we will need to visit another office so the IMU (property tax) can be calculated from when we bought our house and the date of the residency application. Currently, IMU is not payable for residents in prima casa but we have a liability for the period when we were not residents.
We await our Tessera Sanitaria (a card that confirms our status in the health system) which will arrive, eventually, in our mailbox.
Hopefully, everything done before Italy sleeps in August!
All my understanding only. Experiences may prove different and I will report back.
Now onto sorting out our taxation status. Maybe another long thread on the way
Jul 4th 2017, 6:56 am
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Two photographs each for the ID card and remember that you can't use it for travelling.
It's handy though to keep in your wallet just for proof of identification. I never keep my passport on me. Can't afford to lose it or misplace it.
It's handy though to keep in your wallet just for proof of identification. I never keep my passport on me. Can't afford to lose it or misplace it.
Jul 4th 2017, 8:16 am
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Jul 4th 2017, 8:18 am
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So, for reference and for other readers, if you are not offered the buy-in what are the options? From what modicasa said in another post, I understood that the buy-in is always available if you come from outside the EU. That doesn't seem right...
Jul 4th 2017, 9:02 am
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It's to stop health tourism. Most EU countries have measures in place to avoid people just moving to use a the health service. The exception, of course, is the UK, though they do actually have a yearly surcharge for non working EU citizens, including spouses. It's only a couple of hundred pounds, but even that is rarely collected.
Jul 5th 2017, 8:06 am
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One Tessera Sanitaria (the S1 one) arrived yesterday.
Not sure I would buy a house as a prima casa and take up residency just for health tourism...but gin is much cheaper so that be a motivation
Not sure I would buy a house as a prima casa and take up residency just for health tourism...but gin is much cheaper so that be a motivation
Jul 26th 2017, 9:11 am
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Back to the comune with photos and €10 and some odd cents. Much photocopying, document perusal and signatures. After 40 minutes or so, we have our Id documents.
Then to the IMU office to find out what tax is due, calculated on the period from the Atto to the application for residency. Took all our documents although the Visura, a document detailing property and land including a rate of tax used in the calculation, seemed the most vital. Actually, the calculation was from 1 January as much of the tax system for last year, and ENEL billing, has been suspended in areas affected by the earthquakes. So, there will be a small balance to pay when this is resumed. "Come back at the end of the year, maybe".
Now, where's that commercialista?
Then to the IMU office to find out what tax is due, calculated on the period from the Atto to the application for residency. Took all our documents although the Visura, a document detailing property and land including a rate of tax used in the calculation, seemed the most vital. Actually, the calculation was from 1 January as much of the tax system for last year, and ENEL billing, has been suspended in areas affected by the earthquakes. So, there will be a small balance to pay when this is resumed. "Come back at the end of the year, maybe".
Now, where's that commercialista?
Jul 26th 2017, 9:33 am
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Back to the comune with photos and €10 and some odd cents. Much photocopying, document perusal and signatures. After 40 minutes or so, we have our Id documents.
Then to the IMU office to find out what tax is due, calculated on the period from the Atto to the application for residency. Took all our documents although the Visura, a document detailing property and land including a rate of tax used in the calculation, seemed the most vital. Actually, the calculation was from 1 January as much of the tax system for last year, and ENEL billing, has been suspended in areas affected by the earthquakes. So, there will be a small balance to pay when this is resumed. "Come back at the end of the year, maybe".
Now, where's that commercialista?
Then to the IMU office to find out what tax is due, calculated on the period from the Atto to the application for residency. Took all our documents although the Visura, a document detailing property and land including a rate of tax used in the calculation, seemed the most vital. Actually, the calculation was from 1 January as much of the tax system for last year, and ENEL billing, has been suspended in areas affected by the earthquakes. So, there will be a small balance to pay when this is resumed. "Come back at the end of the year, maybe".
Now, where's that commercialista?
Jul 26th 2017, 9:47 am
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Forgot to mention the €60 payable at the IMU office, in cash but with a receipt, for the calculation!
Jul 27th 2017, 8:40 am
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What? Just to calculate the amount owed, best start getting used to using this site, once you have used it is quite easy.
Jul 27th 2017, 9:14 am
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the comune charges you 60 euros to calculate your IMU? Im pretty sure they cant do that.
Jul 27th 2017, 10:00 am
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I wonder, could this be a fine for late payment, what was the period the IMU related to? It also should have included TASI as well as IMU.
Jul 27th 2017, 10:09 am
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Invoice from Impresa Verde Marche SRL...
Maybe modicasa is right but it's a bit of a 'shrug of the shoulders' and a 'what can you do?' from me.
Aug 2nd 2017, 7:17 am
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By way of an update, the visit to sort out health cover was straightforward. I am not sure where we went other than it was close to the hospital and the documents we now have are headed ASUR (Azienda Sanitaria Unica Regionale) so I assume it was their local offices. The S1 cover was dealt with first without issues. For my part, a payment document was issued for €387.34. This was taken to a bank, paid, document stamped, returned to the ASUR offices where the process was complete. Paper documents were issued confirming our cover, the permament Tessera Sanitaria to arrive sometime later by post.
We needed CF, passports and the original and translated S1 where applicable. We were fully loaded with all our documents just in case!
A couple of points to note. We were allocated a doctor by ASUR so it might be worth doing a bit of research to find a good and conveniently located doctor before going to ASUR. Not all doctors may have availability so it would be worth having one or two options. We had the recommendation of our translator and some ex-pay neighbours.
Secondly, the payment is non pro-rated for a calendar year. So, the payment is the same whenever in the year you start it (even December 30, presumably) and needs to be renewed on January 1 each year. My understanding is that this is done for 5 years and then you would be included in the health system without further payments. As I will be on State Pension next year for January 2019 it should apply to me (Brexit not withstanding). From 2020, who knows how it will work, this will depend on the Brexit terms, I guess.
As I've said before, these are just my experiences where we live. From this forum it is evident that things may be different in other areas. We have heard for someone living 20km away that they found the residency experience was a nightmare made difficult by an unhelpful person in the comune.
Having a translator is money well-spent. Although this visit went smoothly, there were some questions asked and answered, a little prompting required to explain what the S1 was, questions about the doctor to be allocated and some general chit-chat which we may have had difficulties with.
In all, everything done in a morning.
We now have to return to the comune with our paper documents to complete (we think) the residency application. We are waiting to hear that are previous owners 'deregistration' has been accepted before we do that.
On another point sometimes raised in the forum, my understanding is there is a difference between private health cover and what we have done, which is 'buy-in' to the Italian State Health Service and have the same treatment and costs as an Italian. We are only able to do this as EU citizens. If we want private health cover (we don't), we would need to get additional insurance, I guess.
If you are from outside the EU, I assume this wouldn't be available and private health cover or some other paid for cover would be required.
HTH
We needed CF, passports and the original and translated S1 where applicable. We were fully loaded with all our documents just in case!
A couple of points to note. We were allocated a doctor by ASUR so it might be worth doing a bit of research to find a good and conveniently located doctor before going to ASUR. Not all doctors may have availability so it would be worth having one or two options. We had the recommendation of our translator and some ex-pay neighbours.
Secondly, the payment is non pro-rated for a calendar year. So, the payment is the same whenever in the year you start it (even December 30, presumably) and needs to be renewed on January 1 each year. My understanding is that this is done for 5 years and then you would be included in the health system without further payments. As I will be on State Pension next year for January 2019 it should apply to me (Brexit not withstanding). From 2020, who knows how it will work, this will depend on the Brexit terms, I guess.
As I've said before, these are just my experiences where we live. From this forum it is evident that things may be different in other areas. We have heard for someone living 20km away that they found the residency experience was a nightmare made difficult by an unhelpful person in the comune.
Having a translator is money well-spent. Although this visit went smoothly, there were some questions asked and answered, a little prompting required to explain what the S1 was, questions about the doctor to be allocated and some general chit-chat which we may have had difficulties with.
In all, everything done in a morning.
We now have to return to the comune with our paper documents to complete (we think) the residency application. We are waiting to hear that are previous owners 'deregistration' has been accepted before we do that.
On another point sometimes raised in the forum, my understanding is there is a difference between private health cover and what we have done, which is 'buy-in' to the Italian State Health Service and have the same treatment and costs as an Italian. We are only able to do this as EU citizens. If we want private health cover (we don't), we would need to get additional insurance, I guess.
If you are from outside the EU, I assume this wouldn't be available and private health cover or some other paid for cover would be required.
HTH