Renzi and the Planks
Jul 12th 2014, 5:03 am
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Ciquta - then you obviously are not self employed, single and own your own home. Or perhaps you would like to be my commercialista.
Jul 12th 2014, 5:21 am
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The ticket is to stop abuse and to stop people from asking for pointless blood tests every 5 minutes.
In the UK before a gp will offer a blood test (free) you have to display symptoms of some sort and even then you'll need repeat visits to the gp before a test is granted.
In the UK before a gp will offer a blood test (free) you have to display symptoms of some sort and even then you'll need repeat visits to the gp before a test is granted.
Jul 12th 2014, 5:36 am
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I'm a typical Brit male - rarely trouble the doc/put things off but I did go very recently over something that I was wondering about. Doc suggested a blood test without the slightest prompting - popped along to a local community type hospital - luckily I didn't go first thing in the morning which I would have thought was best so missed the rush. I was in and out, without any sort of appointment, within 5 minutes - absolutely amazing service. The scan thing is taking rather longer - and outside what I believe is the supposed target - there's definitely rationing/delays going on in the NHS. But when Brits are charged for a blood test it's time to lay the country to rest. My Italian partner accepts the "ticket" thing/finds it OK/natural. Not me. Never will.
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Jul 12th 2014, 6:12 am
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Not entirely, one of the issues that the Italian NHS faces is over prescription and it was suggested that the tickets would discourage people from pushing their doctors for extra tests. This is also an issue in the UK - brother is a GP . Anyway yesterday I had to go into the Punto Bianco at the hospital, they deal with non emergencies . Went at 7.30 pm and was out by 8.00 after a tetanus jab and with a prescription for antibiotics which the chemist charged me 5€ for. Here in Parma I have always found the services good but I believe Ononno when he complains about the shoddy local services because there are huge regional differences.
Jul 12th 2014, 6:21 am
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Is it possible that there are cultural differences mr/ms pizza? I find that the Italians I know take better care of themselves that the average Brit I know actually verging on hypochondria. Sometimes wonder if they do really live that year or so longer or if it just feels that way. I know a few Italians who would be having blood tests once a week given half a chance/free pass. And separate liver tests. I don't know where my **ing liver is. Assume I've got one. (or is it two?)
Jul 12th 2014, 6:39 am
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I thought that most people would rather sell their children into slavery than have blood tests...obviously italians are more courageous than brits !
Jul 12th 2014, 6:43 am
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Not if you factor in iht.
If you earn a million quid over the course of a lifetime and you get taxed twice (income tax at 20% and then iht at 40% above 325k)), you are still taxed more than somewhere where you have 40% income tax but no iht. 1000000-200000 income tax=800000. Now factor in iht at 40% above 325k so that's another 320k. So you'll have 480k left.
If the million is only tax for income at 40% then that leaves 600k. When factoring in the lack of iht the Italian tax system is not the worst in Europe at all.
Iht is an awful tax, no wonder David Cameron's dad got someone to draft a 25 page discretionary trust in order to avoid paying iht...I read this documents and its boring as hell, even more boring than the Holland Argentina match yesterday, but it was an effective tax avoidance trust...
If you earn a million quid over the course of a lifetime and you get taxed twice (income tax at 20% and then iht at 40% above 325k)), you are still taxed more than somewhere where you have 40% income tax but no iht. 1000000-200000 income tax=800000. Now factor in iht at 40% above 325k so that's another 320k. So you'll have 480k left.
If the million is only tax for income at 40% then that leaves 600k. When factoring in the lack of iht the Italian tax system is not the worst in Europe at all.
Iht is an awful tax, no wonder David Cameron's dad got someone to draft a 25 page discretionary trust in order to avoid paying iht...I read this documents and its boring as hell, even more boring than the Holland Argentina match yesterday, but it was an effective tax avoidance trust...
Jul 12th 2014, 6:51 am
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Yes, looking at it from outside, that's what gets me. From what I can see (you folks there of course know more than me) the state seems to provide very little from all that money they manage to collect. And then there's that innocuous sounding phrase, the "ticket", for various routine health things. I rather have the impression (again I stress I'm outside looking in) that much of what I would think of as social care/provision/safety net is delegated to the family and the catholic church. (Am happy for folk to enlighten/correct me. As long as they are polite and stick to the point he stresses nervously after some of the crud on this thread)
Where does the money go? It's almost as much of a mystery to me as the TV licence fee - I don't see much of that hitting the RAI screens, and they have advertising income as well.
Where does the money go? It's almost as much of a mystery to me as the TV licence fee - I don't see much of that hitting the RAI screens, and they have advertising income as well.
Remember there is no Unemployment money after 2yrs, There is no social security..... there is NO help whatsoever to those with NO income. There is no family allowance jus sweet FA. But there are state pensions which pay out up to 90,000 euros a month to certain individuals. Also elected members of various bodies, regional, govermental etc recieve pensions for life after just a few years service. Dini for example receives over 30K a month in pension plus salary plus plus.
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Jul 12th 2014, 6:56 am
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The total taxes and Imposte... paid by the Italians is higher than that paid by the Germans.
Remember there is no Unemployment money after 2yrs, There is no social security..... there is NO help whatsoever to those with NO income. There is no family allowance jus sweet FA. But there are state pensions which pay out up to 90,000 euros a month to certain individuals. Also elected members of various bodies, regional, govermental etc recieve pensions for life. Dini for example receives over 30K a month in pension plus salary plus plus.
Remember there is no Unemployment money after 2yrs, There is no social security..... there is NO help whatsoever to those with NO income. There is no family allowance jus sweet FA. But there are state pensions which pay out up to 90,000 euros a month to certain individuals. Also elected members of various bodies, regional, govermental etc recieve pensions for life. Dini for example receives over 30K a month in pension plus salary plus plus.
Jul 12th 2014, 7:08 am
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The pensions are for life, but if you are elected or selected to serve then you earn a pension which is payable from the moment you cease serving that term. This is payable for the rest of your life and later when you are elegible for the normal pension you receive that too. Multiple terms of office mean multiple pensions, Payable after each term of office.
Eg. after the first term say 5k pm (Pension/Vito), during the second term 5k pm (pension/Vito) plus salary. After second term 10pm (pension/Vito) and so on........
The professional politician gets many pensions/Vitos, I believe the terms are now 5yrs but before it was easier. There are many Dini's and Minetti's.
Eg. after the first term say 5k pm (Pension/Vito), during the second term 5k pm (pension/Vito) plus salary. After second term 10pm (pension/Vito) and so on........
The professional politician gets many pensions/Vitos, I believe the terms are now 5yrs but before it was easier. There are many Dini's and Minetti's.
Jul 12th 2014, 8:17 am
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Not entirely, one of the issues that the Italian NHS faces is over prescription and it was suggested that the tickets would discourage people from pushing their doctors for extra tests. This is also an issue in the UK - brother is a GP . Anyway yesterday I had to go into the Punto Bianco at the hospital, they deal with non emergencies . Went at 7.30 pm and was out by 8.00 after a tetanus jab and with a prescription for antibiotics which the chemist charged me 5€ for. Here in Parma I have always found the services good but I believe Ononno when he complains about the shoddy local services because there are huge regional differences.
In our part of Italy. the GP prescribes the blood tests, but the hospital decides if you need them. That is, they do the basic tests and then decide if the further tests are really neccessary.
And anyway, his properties are probably in some sort of tax free fund.
Jul 12th 2014, 12:29 pm
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I know the Brit NHS is under severe pressure but I personally find the "ticket" appalling, especially in the context of taxes which are definitely not low (wherever they rank internationally) and seem to provide so little else. Paying for blood tests etc etc - I'd be appalled if that happened in
Lot of people -especially retired- used to demand often expensive tests (i mean in the range of thousands) just because they were free, pretending they were not well.
The ticket is a really small amount of money compared to what you get, and it works like a shield for abuses.
Jul 12th 2014, 12:35 pm
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As Fleetwood said, no fishtank in te hall but a quality end product.
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Jul 12th 2014, 12:42 pm
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Everyone can get unemployement money, what ends after 2 years is cassa di integrazione, and as far as i know in germany only lasts 1 year.
No dobut germany has a better system overall, but they do pay taxes.
Jul 12th 2014, 1:09 pm
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So, who doesn't pay taxes and why and how ?
Blood test costing thousands ?!? l Looking for genomes of Alien origin ? How people know about such tests ? ...the mind boggles...
B jewels were thought to be working extremely well with all that Bunga Bunga.... very disappointed now, how sad.
