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Old Jan 3rd 2018, 11:56 am   #1
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Hi,

I am probably being a bit stupid here, I know as a UK Citizen I can stay in Italy for 90 days without a Permesso.
But if I stayed for 90 days (or a couple of months, give or take), Could I then apply for residence or would I have to go back to UK and wait for 90 days before returning and applying for my permesso? I don't want to get into any bother and make the process even more difficult!

I've read somewhere that I should really apply for a Permesso within a week to eight days of arriving if I intend to stay long term...

Thanks in advance for any help!
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Old Jan 3rd 2018, 1:59 pm   #2
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Hi,

I am probably being a bit stupid here, I know as a UK Citizen I can stay in Italy for 90 days without a Permesso.
But if I stayed for 90 days (or a couple of months, give or take), Could I then apply for residence or would I have to go back to UK and wait for 90 days before returning and applying for my permesso? I don't want to get into any bother and make the process even more difficult!

I've read somewhere that I should really apply for a Permesso within a week to eight days of arriving if I intend to stay long term...

Thanks in advance for any help!
At the moment, Uk residente do not need to apply for a permesso. You need to apply for residency at your local comune -you are supposed to apply from day one, but not one is bothered if you don't. There is no need to return to the UK. To apply you will need proof of work or a minimum income. Without a job, you will also need to provide your own health insurance unless you have a UK pension.
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Old Jan 3rd 2018, 3:35 pm   #3
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You can do less than 90 days and then return for another 90 (none cumulative). But once up to 183 day you will be liable for tax in Italy i.e. cumulative within the tax year (Jan-Dec for Italy).
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Old Jan 3rd 2018, 8:34 pm   #4
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You can do less than 90 days and then return for another 90 (none cumulative). But once up to 183 day you will be liable for tax in Italy i.e. cumulative within the tax year (Jan-Dec for Italy).
So are you saying that as long as I leave before my 90 days are up I can go back whenever I want and it won't cause a problem? I had assumed that I wouldn't be able to return for 3 months.... Must admit the 'cumulative and none cumulative thing is baffling me a bit....

I'm aware that if/when resident I will probably have to pay some tax (minus what's already been paid at source in UK), bit of a pain, but hopefully worth it.

I want to be able to spend at least a couple of months there before deciding if I want to stay full time.
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To be honest I doubt anyone will care if you are there more than 90 days, but in the current climate you never know. So, yes go and stay out of Italy for a night and come back and legally that’s fine. However, legally often makes no difference in Italy and if the local authorities decide you are not to their liking you could find they will do as they wish. Okay you can go down the legal route and get a result, but you would then still be living there under their kindly eye! Some might say 3 months (90 days) is long enough to decide if you want to stay, but I would agree it’s perhaps not long enough. Personally I would see coming back to the UK (my place of origin) as a good thing as it gives me the opportunity to compare and reflect and see how much I want to get back to Italy. On the other hand in your situation I may decide its less hassle to just apply for residency (which could take months) and in the end if I found I did not want to stay, then give it up!
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