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Trasnadonnta Dec 24th 2017 12:42 pm

How to prove non-residency
 
If a property is purchased in Italy to be used by a non-resident (as declared at point of purchase), how is it possible to prove that it is not occupied more than 183 days per annum, in order to ensure non-liability for income tax payment in Italy?

Pica Dec 24th 2017 12:45 pm

Re: How to prove non-residency
 
Difficult to prove. Perhaps keeping copies of airline/travel tickets, receipts etc?

Trasnadonnta Dec 24th 2017 1:10 pm

Re: How to prove non-residency
 
Thank you Pica,

Yes indeed, but is that sufficient, or is there a more formal procedure required, such as going to the local authorities to declare arrival and departure dates?

I'm worried electricity/water consumption would enter the equation, as it would also be used by friends/other family members for short holidays.

If anybody has had any experience or problems with this, I would really appreciate their input.

Trassnadonnta

EuroTrash Dec 24th 2017 7:01 pm

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I don't know about Italy but usually, it does indeed come down to travel records in the case of a tax investigations. Ferry operators, airlines etc have exact records of passengers' names and the dates/times of travel (if you're counting days, it can even be important whether you travelled before or after midnight) and this will be the only conclusive proof. Keep your tickets but in fact they only prove that you bought a ticket, they don't prove that you travelled on that date - you could have cancelled or amended them.

But it's rare that it comes to that. Usually, the dates you give are accepted.

Trasnadonnta Dec 24th 2017 8:33 pm

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EuroTrash

Thank you for the point 'before or after midnight'. It might be a good idea to have passport stamped at border control because as you say, tickets don't prove travel. Feedback is always very helpful.

Trasnadonnta

EuroTrash Dec 26th 2017 10:21 am

Re: How to prove non-residency
 
They don't usually stamp passports.
But as said, all international carriers have to keep passenger lists of all travellers, they record every person who checks in for each crossing/flight. That's what would be checked if ever it became an issue, which is highly unlikely.
Don't worry, if the authorities want to trace your movements they will, and they will get all the correct facts. As long as you make sure you don't overstay your days in Italy you will be fine.

Thairetired2016 Dec 27th 2017 1:49 pm

Re: How to prove non-residency
 
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Originally Posted by Trasnadonnta (Post 12404771)
If a property is purchased in Italy to be used by a non-resident (as declared at point of purchase), how is it possible to prove that it is not occupied more than 183 days per annum, in order to ensure non-liability for income tax payment in Italy?

Best way is to proof non-res status i.e. not using the property is through utility bills. If you don't live there you don't use water/electricity. At least this was recommended to us by a tax lawyer in another EU country. Tax office didn't believe we hadn't used/rented out the property when we sold it.

EuroTrash Dec 27th 2017 3:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 (Post 12405626)
Best way is to proof non-res status i.e. not using the property is through utility bills. If you don't live there you don't use water/electricity.

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Originally Posted by Trasnadonnta (Post 12404779)
I'm worried electricity/water consumption would enter the equation, as it would also be used by friends/other family members for short holidays.


Trasnadonnta Dec 27th 2017 9:27 pm

Re: How to prove non-residency
 
EuroTrash and Thairetired2016, very kind of you to have responded. I think the best thing to do is welcome others when I'm there myself and stick stringently to the 183 days with boarding cards as proof, in that way there's no ambiguity. Thank you both for your input. I personally don't know of anybody had problems with this, but better be sure than sorry.

Geordieborn Dec 28th 2017 1:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Trasnadonnta (Post 12405856)
EuroTrash and Thairetired2016, very kind of you to have responded. I think the best thing to do is welcome others when I'm there myself and stick stringently to the 183 days with boarding cards as proof, in that way there's no ambiguity. Thank you both for your input. I personally don't know of anybody had problems with this, but better be sure than sorry.

Yes, I think you are right not to worry about it. Over the years we have realised just how many things dictate exactly where were are/were. Just busy adding a few tags to pictures we have taken over the year and even these show exactly where we were. If you have geo tagging on them then even the exact placing is there for all to see. Shop purchases and deliveries are yet another…

Trasnadonnta Dec 28th 2017 1:52 pm

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:thumbsup:

Thank you Geordieborn for giving me some great ideas, geo-tagging is a must for me from now on...never even knew of it!

Trasnadonnta


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