Sancho

Another worry. It's hard to believe it's going to happen, but with the current bunch of clowns in charge in Westminster nothing can be ruled out -

HEALTHCARE AND BRITISH EXPATS IN THE EU

Serrano

At least (in my understanding of things) it shouldn't affect those of us who've been here for 5 years or more, thus eligible to be members of the SSN by right ....

Or am I being hopelessly optimistic?

Geordieborn

As Jeremy Corbyn can testify a lot can change in a half day or so….
We are small fry and although it's good they are having the likes of old Horsfall in front of some grey suits, it will make little difference... None of them (or us) have a clue what will happen, so why worry too much

philat98

If the mortgage rates start to rise the popular appetite for Brexit might subside a bit.
The plan to make the UK into a fiscal paradise will at least please the AdE.

Lorna at Vicenza

We were granted those rights with permanent residency as EU citizens though so who knows what will happen?

HADENOUGHPIZZA

Any rights that derive from the UK being a part of the EU will need to be covered by Brexit negotiations , this will include residency and health care agreements for expats . If the UK opts for a hard / clean Brexit Agreement then these rights could disappear as they'd need to be reciprocal which would mean giving the same rights to EU nationals in the UK .

Geordieborn

The UK had reciprocal agreements with most European countries before they went into the EU. As far as I can find out they were never rescinded, so it may well be that they can easily be reinstated. Worst case scenario might be that it takes a little time to do so, but having all the details in place should mean it can be done in a lot less time. Why would Italy not do so when they have around x4 more Italians in the UK than brits in Italy? It might well be different for those ex-pats living in Spain!

HADENOUGHPIZZA

Yes but that's why the UK might not want to keep an agreement with Italy , the NHS is a very sensitive issue and they'll want to cut back on EU citizens using it in the UK .

Serrano

I'm not at all convinced that the original reason for that granting comes into it. Once granted it would normally remain until revoked. And the motivation for revocation?

And in addition, we should consider that extra-communitari, once they have permanent residency, are in the SSN. I think the ECJ (remember them) would have something to say on the matter.

Lorna at Vicenza

I meant that my certificate from the "comune" says:

ATTESTAZIONE DI SOGGIORNO PERMANENTE PER I CITTADINI UE.

Geordieborn

Very true, but the UK will need friends ans they will pic and choose who they want and I would reckon Italians will be "in" and a lot of newer EU countries "out".

ononno

It's worth remembering that both Italy and the UK are also bound by membership of OCSE, the Organisation for Cooperation on Economic Development. This is a pre Common Market agreement, still in force. In 1964 I finally got a permesso di soggiorno based on this agreement. I had immediate access to healthcare, which was then run by INAM, later to become ASL.
Could be that Teresa May is holding membership of that up her sleeve.
bye bye dicette l'inglese

GeorgeYoung

I'm less confident than I was on June 24th last year, having heard May's blathering this week, but I still expect that eventually the rights of people resident in EU states or EU citizens in UK prior to the referendum will be "grandfathered". I'm not sure any state has the appetite was mass repatriations and the admin involved.

That said, whether that will apply for people aren't in work, I'm not so confident.

philat98

Hammond has said that there will be no block on skilled migrants so probably Italy would operate the same policy. Anyway the negotiations are going to take years.
If being a free trade zone was so attractive an option it seems strange that Norway and Switzerland aren't already going down the same path. I expect they will have to find a new plan.

37100

The EU already has a visa for skilled workers. The blue visa. They don't need an agreement with the UK.