jonwel

Obviously in the cited case I sympathise with the father. The son is an adult too and has the responsibility of getting to the end of his studies as quickly as possible (if he's unemployed he can dedicate himself full time to his studies, it's not like people who go "fuori corso" because they're working) and finding a job (meaning any job, it's his fault if he chose a course of study with no career prospects). But the media always pick on cases like this, to hide the fact that plenty of young people do want a job and don't find one and have no one to turn to for maintenance except their family (there's no state subsidy for people who have never worked). But of course these cases are less likely to end up in court.

37100

Not sure what this has to do with Brexit?? This situation is pretty common in Italy and a legal requirement. The flip side, children must take care, within their possibilities, of their parents if needed.

highlander1

So is a no vote for Expats !?


700,000 British expats will not be able to vote in EU referendum, court rules

Nick1971

Not sure if I'm allowed to do this, but I thought I'd inject a little relative humour into this thread.
Personally, I believe we should stay.

philat98

An article in the Guardian says what a muddle it will be determining the rights of Eu expats if we Brexit.
Brexit will leave 2 million Britons in legal limbo abroad, say peers | World news | The Guardian

“The European parliament’s right not to give its consent to the adoption of the withdrawal agreement would give it considerable influence. One of the most important aspects of the withdrawal negotiations would be determining the acquired rights of the 2 million or so UK citizens living in other member states, and equally of EU citizens living in the UK. This would be a complex and daunting task.”

The Italian administration would make the most of it.

highlander1

Peers making forecasts ?
2 to 5 years, or more ?
What do they now past theirs dribbles.

Well lets stay firmly on board the EU juggernaut ,relentlessly heading for a massive crash on the rocks.

Happy days !

jonwel

I don't know how serious a problem this would be. Where I live in Milan there is a large North African population, who seem to enjoy the same rights as I do as regards health care for example, without being EU citizens. Maybe we'd have to go back to the "permesso di soggiorno", with regular renewal. Worth investigating (I haven't read the link).

PS I've read the article now; it doesn't go into much detail. There are plenty of rights enjoyed by non-EU immigrants, as I said above, even voting in local elections.
I see on the same page that Anthony Blair is campaigning to stay in. Unfortunately that'll be seen as a good reason for leaving!

highlander1

Yes, no registration for them, they even REFUSE to be fingerprinted or documents checked. Lets see a Brit being able to stay in Italy without documents, translations, registrations, marche da bollo, codici fiscali etc.

As I said above .. rocks and crash !

mikelincs

This is only for those who have been out of the UK for more than 15 years, and was an attempt using the courts to bring in the proposed changes that would remove the 15 year rule that the government have plans to do. Incidentally, had 'public' opinion not accelerated the referendum, then the legislation would have been in place BEFORE the vote.

modicasa

You're confusing legal and illegal immigrants. A legal immigrant with PdS, fingerprints, registration etc has access to all services. Those who don't get nothing except emergency ambulatori

ononno

Why should it be a problem? We would just become 'xtra-communitari' again, like I was until 1973. If Albanians/Turks/Ukranians are going to e able to come in, can't imagine us having problems.

highlander1

Really ? I think not.


Tutti i regali che lo Stato fa agli immigrati - L'intraprendente | L'intraprendente

jonwel

I can sympathise with all those who feel they're being queue-jumped by illegal (or legal) immigrants. But let's just keep a sense of proportion:

That's where the real enemy lies; Salvini doesn't seem to have much to say about this.

modicasa

The article says that the government pays the electricity bills of the ROM - they are European citizens and here legally. and provide toilet paper for illegal immigrants - but fails to point out that the provisino of basic human rights to illegal immigrants is when they are in immigration centres, not on the streets. They are given places to sleep and eat while they are being processed, and yes, this has a cost, in some cases inflated because the people who run the centres are doing it as a business, whether they are organised crime, businessmen or MP's lining their pockets.
An illegal immigrant 'on the streets' ie one who has avoided the centro di accoglienza has no right to anything in Italy and relies on charity for his toilet paper.

MarkRD

Slightly OT but I noticed how Italian TGs made a big thing about Italians being able to vote for the mayor of London - Bella scoperta! What's the big deal??? That's one of the few things we are allowed to vote for in Italy!