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I am not sure if this will be accessible from outside the UK
BBC Radio 4 - The Deobandis, Episode 1
Very interesting that much of the force of Islamism comes from Deoband in India. The spread as a response to the failure of the First War of |ndependence in 1857 - the events that our schoolbooks called "The Indian Mutiny"
BBC Radio 4 - The Deobandis, Episode 1
Very interesting that much of the force of Islamism comes from Deoband in India. The spread as a response to the failure of the First War of |ndependence in 1857 - the events that our schoolbooks called "The Indian Mutiny"
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I am not sure if this will be accessible from outside the UK
BBC Radio 4 - The Deobandis, Episode 1
Very interesting that much of the force of Islamism comes from Deoband in India. The spread as a response to the failure of the First War of |ndependence in 1857 - the events that our schoolbooks called "The Indian Mutiny"
BBC Radio 4 - The Deobandis, Episode 1
Very interesting that much of the force of Islamism comes from Deoband in India. The spread as a response to the failure of the First War of |ndependence in 1857 - the events that our schoolbooks called "The Indian Mutiny"
Deobandis are Sunni, and Saudi supports such groups with money for Mosques world wide.
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They seem to be quite influential in the Indian Muslim Diaspora in Britain
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So Indian Muslims are a minority of Muslims in UK (I can't find an actual figure) and if as in other communities half are Deobandi the actual number must be small but may be influential I don't know.
The Indian Muslims in our particular UK town are Bohra Muslims
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I just took the figures from the BBC radio 4 Documentary. Generally speaking I am appalled at how little the media here seem to know on this and related subjects.
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I agree with you. Newspapers also continually refer to "Asians" without any mention of the actual country they originate from.
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The majority of Deobandi in the UK are from Pakistan. The majority of Muslims in the UK are from Pakistan, Bangladesh next 15%.
So Indian Muslims are a minority of Muslims in UK (I can't find an actual figure) and if as in other communities half are Deobandi the actual number must be small but may be influential I don't know.
The Indian Muslims in our particular UK town are Bohra Muslims
So Indian Muslims are a minority of Muslims in UK (I can't find an actual figure) and if as in other communities half are Deobandi the actual number must be small but may be influential I don't know.
The Indian Muslims in our particular UK town are Bohra Muslims
So Indian muslims are part of the 14% "Other Asian".
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From the Wikipedia article on Islam in the UK:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nic_groups.png
So Indian muslims are part of the 14% "Other Asian".
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nic_groups.png
So Indian muslims are part of the 14% "Other Asian".
For example Afghanistan, Malaya, India etc. adding up to 14 % of the total.
(The % of Muslims in the Indian population is similar to the % of Muslims in the UK population).
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I also wonder if the lack of clarity, leading to India being lumped in with the rest of Asia, relates to muslims who either arrived in the UK around the time of partition, or soon after, so may have arrived "from Pakistan" but are really from India, and those whose families came from pre-partition India via East Africa, or some other part of the British Empire, again creating ambiguity as to whether they have Indian or Pakistani heritage.
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Yes, half the "Other Asian". My guess is partly based on Arabs being broken out separately at only 7%, .... so if 7% were of Indian ethnicity I think they would get their own segment of the pie chart.
I also wonder if the lack of clarity, leading to India being lumped in with the rest of Asia, relates to muslims who either arrived in the UK around the time of partition, or soon after, so may have arrived "from Pakistan" but are really from India, and those whose families came from pre-partition India via East Africa, or some other part of the British Empire, again creating ambiguity as to whether they have Indian or Pakistani heritage.
I also wonder if the lack of clarity, leading to India being lumped in with the rest of Asia, relates to muslims who either arrived in the UK around the time of partition, or soon after, so may have arrived "from Pakistan" but are really from India, and those whose families came from pre-partition India via East Africa, or some other part of the British Empire, again creating ambiguity as to whether they have Indian or Pakistani heritage.
You could say Pakistan is part of India by your reasoning. However it is a very separate and different country and more so since becoming an Islamic Republic in 1956. I think most would have come since then. They would have Pakistani passports. Pakistan allows dual nationality.
(About a million Muslims have migrated from Bangladesh back into India, many illegally). They are still Bangladeshi.
Those from East Africa and elsewhere would be classed as Indian origin.
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Here, when you refer to Indians, you're normally talking about race not the country. Does not matter if they originate from Malaysia (not Malaya BTW) or India or Sri Lanka or Britain or wherever. I'd be referred to as Caucasian.
I think in the UK (but correct me if I am wrong as I've not been back there in donkeys years) they don't like to mention race somehow.
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And confusingly the split is different out here in Asia. You wouldn't say Asians to describe Indians. Asians are Asians.
Here, when you refer to Indians, you're normally talking about race not the country. Does not matter if they originate from Malaysia (not Malaya BTW) or India or Sri Lanka or Britain or wherever. I'd be referred to as Caucasian. .....
Here, when you refer to Indians, you're normally talking about race not the country. Does not matter if they originate from Malaysia (not Malaya BTW) or India or Sri Lanka or Britain or wherever. I'd be referred to as Caucasian. .....
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I don't think so. I think, historically, maybe the Caucases (sp?). But these days (at least here in Malaysia) refers to "White" skinned Westerners.
Actually it's all bonkers, I'm "white" but am about the same colour of some of my Indian friends. In fact, why are we talking about this? hehe
OK, on with the day for me. Hope you all have a good one.
Actually it's all bonkers, I'm "white" but am about the same colour of some of my Indian friends. In fact, why are we talking about this? hehe
OK, on with the day for me. Hope you all have a good one.