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LaLaLayla Nov 8th 2017 1:32 am

Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
So I am filling Form 40SP for my husband to sign. In the Form they ask if he has had any previous relationships before the one with me. He had one relationship. I have already submitted my form, where I listed all of my many previous boyfriends :eek:.

Why do they need to know? I hate the fact that someone is going to be reading all this stuff, probably making a few judgements about me.

Also, parents, siblings, etc. Why do they need details? I am estranged from my sibling. What if they need information about him?

I dunno, it all seems so irrelevant.

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WRUSSELL Nov 8th 2017 2:18 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
'They' are not interested in boyfriends, only de facto or married relationships.
There are are numerous reasons for them wanting to know about various parties:
If they are your dependants they must satisfy the public interest criteria.
Do they have an adverse immigration history?
You might want to sponsor them later.
If you or your partner were in any previous relationship, what is the evidence that any such relationships have ended?
If any person you disclosed has lodged an application with 'them' (or some other immigration authority) was the information they provided different from the information you have provided?
Have you or your partner contradicted information previously submitted?
and so on...

LaLaLayla Nov 8th 2017 7:11 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WRUSSELL (Post 12377273)
'They' are not interested in boyfriends, only de facto or married relationships.
There are are numerous reasons for them wanting to know about various parties:
If they are your dependants they must satisfy the public interest criteria.
Do they have an adverse immigration history?
You might want to sponsor them later.
If you or your partner were in any previous relationship, what is the evidence that any such relationships have ended?
If any person you disclosed has lodged an application with 'them' (or some other immigration authority) was the information they provided different from the information you have provided?
Have you or your partner contradicted information previously submitted?
and so on...

I quote: "Has the applicant been in any previous relationships with persons other than the sponsor?" They don't specify married/de facto, just "any relationships".

Could I sponsor by brother anyway? Will the fact that I have parents and a brother harm my application? What if any of them had a terrible criminal history (they don't, as far as I know). Would that affect my application?

It just seems irrelevant and unnecessarily intrusive.

NickyC Nov 8th 2017 7:55 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
I'm looking at Form 40SP from http://www.border.gov.au/forms/Documents/40sp.pdf and dated 07/17 and it quite clearly asks:

28 Have you ever been in a same-sex or opposite-sex de facto relationship with a person other than the current visa applicant?
for the Sponsor

and

33 Has the visa applicant ever been in a same-sex or opposite-sex de facto relationship with a person other than you?
for the Visa applicant.

They only want to know about previous live-in relationships. They're not interested in how many boyfriends you might have had in the past!

Dorothy Nov 8th 2017 10:33 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LaLaLayla (Post 12377381)
I quote: "Has the applicant been in any previous relationships with persons other than the sponsor?" They don't specify married/de facto, just "any relationships".

Could I sponsor by brother anyway? Will the fact that I have parents and a brother harm my application? What if any of them had a terrible criminal history (they don't, as far as I know). Would that affect my application?

It just seems irrelevant and unnecessarily intrusive.

Their playground = their rules. Do you want the visa? If so, then answer the questions honestly and you have nothing to worry about.

As for why they want to know about family, think about it.... Say you have a brother who's a freedom fighter for ISIS. Don't you think the Australian government has a right to know that? And yes, you could be a sponsor for your brother. There are family sponsored skilled visas. Parents? Yes, you could sponsor them in future. The government (acting on ALL Australians' behalf) has a right to know their background if it chooses.

LaLaLayla Nov 8th 2017 10:47 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
@NickyC, it's the Spouse Visa application form that asks. I have taken a picture of it but don't know how to add it to my post.

LaLaLayla Nov 8th 2017 10:49 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
@Dorothy, yes I get that, but are the details of some bloke i shagged 25 years ago at university really relevant to my Visa Application? Like, REALLY?!?

Dorothy Nov 8th 2017 10:56 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LaLaLayla (Post 12377489)
@Dorothy, yes I get that, but are the details of some bloke i shagged 25 years ago at university really relevant to my Visa Application? Like, REALLY?!?

They don't want to know about some bloke you shagged 25 years ago. They want to know about legal relationships; i.e de-facto or married only. I'm not sure where you're looking, but this is the correct, current 40SP http://www.border.gov.au/forms/Documents/40sp.pdf Nowhere does it ask for "some bloke you shagged", only marriages and de-facto relationships. I suggest you fill in the current form and ditch the one you're using now.

As for the @...this is not twitter. If you want to quote someone you click on the "quote" button on their post.

LaLaLayla Nov 8th 2017 11:01 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
The @ reference is common now on website forums.

And my quote came from the Spouse Visa Application Form.

How can I upload a photograph? Does anybody know? Thanks.

NickyC Nov 8th 2017 11:04 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LaLaLayla (Post 12377484)
@NickyC, it's the Spouse Visa application form that asks. I have taken a picture of it but don't know how to add it to my post.

You said in your original post that you were filling in Form 40SP. And I quoted from Form 40SP.

What's the number of the form you're completing and I'll see if I can find it.

LaLaLayla Nov 8th 2017 11:14 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
Yes, I was filling in 40SP, but the previous relationship question was on the Spouse Visa Application Form (don't know the number).

DML Nov 8th 2017 11:58 am

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
Wait til you get to citizenship - we've filled in the forms for our 457, two years later more of the same for the PR and now more of the same for citizenship. Most if not all of it should be on file. Obviously keeps lots of paper pushers (or mouse clickers) in a job

Pollyana Nov 8th 2017 12:15 pm

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LaLaLayla (Post 12377251)
So I am filling Form 40SP for my husband to sign. In the Form they ask if he has had any previous relationships before the one with me. He had one relationship. I have already submitted my form, where I listed all of my many previous boyfriends :eek:.

Why do they need to know? I hate the fact that someone is going to be reading all this stuff, probably making a few judgements about me.

Also, parents, siblings, etc. Why do they need details? I am estranged from my sibling. What if they need information about him?

I dunno, it all seems so irrelevant.

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For starters, the form you fill in is 47SP.
The form your husband fills in is 40SP.

DIBP compare them to see if the answers are the same - so if your husband says he believes you have never been married, yet you name three previous husbands....there is the first red flag.

Australia likes forms. Get used to it, its a fact of life.

Pollyana Nov 8th 2017 12:16 pm

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LaLaLayla (Post 12377500)
The @ reference is common now on website forums.

Not on BE it isn't. Never has been and hopefully never will be. We prefer to quote the post that is being replied to :)

moneypenny20 Nov 8th 2017 12:41 pm

Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
 
I don't know what version of the forms you are looking at but in 14 years of seeing these forms I have never seen requests for all ex boyfriends/girlfriends. And no, we don't use @. Just use the quote button. It's much clearer for others to see what quote you're replying to.


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