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Old May 17th 2010, 1:55 am
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Default 2231-79 (ICT Professionals), A simple research why it is not on NEW SOL: Comments Plz

If your answer about 2231-79 (ICT Professionals) future is like me then might be this is a "RAY OF HOPE".

As we already know that 2231-79 (ICT PROFESSIONALS especially NETWORK SECURITY PROFESSIONALS) has been completely gone from NEW SOL but after a research by me I have reached a point that:

"Infact 2231-79 was NOT actually in OLD SOL as well, for confirmation please visit old SOL 1121 at http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf".

Looking little bit silly????

But this is a fact as far as I am concerned ...

"As 2231-79 was NOT present in OLD SOL but it was present in MODL (which is not there now)".

It might be wrong perception but I think so

"There might be another list like MODL which have other ICT occupations would be present"

Not confirmed about my research to be up to the mark ... But all worthy members wise suggestions might make this research purified.


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Hi Umar,

Please have a closer look to link posted by you.


You can find at page number 4 that following information is listed

Computing Professionals – (nec) 2231-79 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Applications and Analyst Programmer 2231-17 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Computer Systems Auditor 2231-21 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Software Designer 2231-15 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Systems Designer 2231-13 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Systems Manager 2231-11 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Systems Programmer 2231-19 Y 60 ACS Y

So this 2231-79 was in old SOL.

MODL was created in different perspective to give you extra points and the above mentioned occupations are there in the new SOL more or less.

So in essence for ICT professionals nothing has changed so far as SOL goes barring the fact that mentioning of the particular technology for example .Net,Java etc has gone now.

I am badly affected by the removal of MODL (being Java professional and currently have 110 points only)and anxiously waiting for new point system. On a different note, anyone has any idea about the new point system.
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Hi Umar,

Please have a closer look to link posted by you.


You can find at page number 4 that following information is listed

Computing Professionals – (nec) 2231-79 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Applications and Analyst Programmer 2231-17 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Computer Systems Auditor 2231-21 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Software Designer 2231-15 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Systems Designer 2231-13 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Systems Manager 2231-11 Y 60 ACS Y
Computing Professionals – Systems Programmer 2231-19 Y 60 ACS Y

So this 2231-79 was in old SOL.

MODL was created in different perspective to give you extra points and the above mentioned occupations are there in the new SOL more or less.

So in essence for ICT professionals nothing has changed so far as SOL goes barring the fact that mentioning of the particular technology for example .Net,Java etc has gone now.

I am badly affected by the removal of MODL (being Java professional and currently have 110 points only)and anxiously waiting for new point system. On a different note, anyone has any idea about the new point system.
O Dear O Dear O Dear!

I think you simply don't know about MODL 2231-79 Catagory.

The catagory you are talking about is 2231-79 (NEC).

Please consult MODL (which has already been asked) and then reply.

I will appreciate your thinking if you please tell me where is "Network Security, LINUX, SAP, C#, JAVA, ORACLE etc. etc. " in LAST SOL instead of MODL.


Thank you very much for your reply.

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Old May 17th 2010, 5:37 am
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Hi @Umar, I feel that you are the one who needs to understand the MODL, and what mandhani said is right. The reason why they introduced these specific skills such as .NET, Java etc is that those were the skills most in demand among all IT skills.

As of now, I do not think there will be another list mentioning specific skills because the earlier list was a temporary list till the currrent list released today is introduced. I do not think there is any point in simply speculating and misleading others. The "research" needs to be based on facts and not blind speculations.

We need to see which occupation in the list does our skill match the closest..

Take a look at this link:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]?opendocument

It shows MINOR GROUP 263 ICT NETWORK AND SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS, of which Network Security is a subset - how can you then confirm then that network security is removed. Also, the other skills in MODL, such as .NET, Java fit into Software Engineer/Programmer Analyst or atleast Systems Analyst. The only point is that this list is not technology specific..it is sort of role specific.
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Hi guys,

I think, all those have not applied with DIAC yet, should forget what was there on old SOL and start building their cases as per the new SOL, including the fresh assessment from professional bodies (even if they have positive skills assessment or some assessment in process).

Its difficult to compose afresh but the sooner its done, the sooner you will get the visa.

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Default Re: 2231-79 (ICT Professionals), A simple research why it is not on NEW SOL: Comments

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O Dear O Dear O Dear!

I think you simply don't know about MODL 2231-79 Catagory.

The catagory you are talking about is 2231-79 (NEC).

Please consult MODL (which has already been asked) and then reply.

I will appreciate your thinking if you please tell me where is "Network Security, LINUX, SAP, C#, JAVA, ORACLE etc. etc. " in LAST SOL instead of MODL.


Thank you very much for your reply.
I suspect it is you that doesn't understand the categories. MODL was a subset of 2231-79 (NEC). Those skills remain part of 2231-79 (NEC) but there are just no 'extra' points for them. On the new list refer to categories 2611-2613.

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Am gutted 2231-79 has been removed from SOL - OH is specialising in security and was really hoping that, with the removal of the MODL, security would remain on the SOL

Am surprised that .Net, etc. have also disappeared - I thought they would always be needed? Not that it affects us of course - we're doomed anyway - but there must be a lot of .Net guys out there that have just received a shock.

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The truth about the changes in the IT area hasn't yet been revealed - I agree it looks sticky for people in IT security but until the assessing bodies have been specified and their parameters identified, I don't think it helps to speculate. Bear in mind too that most states currently have IT security in their list of occupations to be sponsored and they would not have reached saturation point with IT security skills, whatever DIAC's thinking might be about the number of applications received using that specialisation.

So, yes, more waiting in store.

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just wanted comment about .Net developers... I'm a Microsoft developer myself, been using MS technology for 12 years now and over the last 7 years been using Microsoft .Net in particular. I can say with confidence that there's a shortage of skilled .Net specialists in NSW atleast. Me and my industry friends regularly receive calls for job opportunities over the last 4 years I've been working here... even during the peak of GFC last year.

when I migrated to Australia about 4 years ago (thanks George and BE community again for making the experience a lot less stressful ), I was able to secure a job in less than 3 weeks and I've known recent migrants who had similar experiences on the IT market..
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Originally Posted by George Lombard
The truth about the changes in the IT area hasn't yet been revealed - I agree it looks sticky for people in IT security but until the assessing bodies have been specified and their parameters identified, I don't think it helps to speculate. Bear in mind too that most states currently have IT security in their list of occupations to be sponsored and they would not have reached saturation point with IT security skills, whatever DIAC's thinking might be about the number of applications received using that specialisation.

So, yes, more waiting in store.

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Hi, Sir George I think Network security belongs to this group

"263312 Telecommunications network engineer " if my assessment is right...

And Sir I have some clarifications to make, it is stated in the FAQ that all applicants who lodged an application for a GSM visa before the minister announced the new list of occupations. Would not be affected by these proposed changes..... But how about its priority processing ??.... DIAC has no clear statement regarding this... Maybe they will process all pending applications before processing the new one that's why they suspend certain GSM's... What do you think Sir George??

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Originally Posted by George Lombard
The truth about the changes in the IT area hasn't yet been revealed - I agree it looks sticky for people in IT security but until the assessing bodies have been specified and their parameters identified, I don't think it helps to speculate. Bear in mind too that most states currently have IT security in their list of occupations to be sponsored and they would not have reached saturation point with IT security skills, whatever DIAC's thinking might be about the number of applications received using that specialisation.

So, yes, more waiting in store.

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I'm confused - I thought if your job wasn't on the SOL then it didn't matter if you had state sponsorship or not (or else you were unlikely to GET state sponsorship if your job WASN'T on the SOL...)...??

Are all these changes because Australia is worried about its economy and fearing a recession so is safeguarding jobs for natives? Wish we'd done that in the UK! Hopefully they'll realise security IS still in demand and change the list within the next year or so (before my husband goes into the next age bracket and loses another 5 points, lol).
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Hi, Sir George I think Network security belongs to this group

"263312 Telecommunications network engineer " if my assessment is right...
"Network Engineer" is not the same as "[I]Telecomms[I] Network Engineer" at all - Telecomms and computers are two different industries altogether I'm afraid!

Unfortunately...
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Originally Posted by seanyg
"Network Engineer" is not the same as "[I]Telecomms[I] Network Engineer" at all - Telecomms and computers are two different industries altogether I'm afraid!

Unfortunately...
I think it is almost the same try to find job descriptions regarding the matter....
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Hi, Sir George I think Network security belongs to this group

"263312 Telecommunications network engineer " if my assessment is right...

And Sir I have some clarifications to make, it is stated in the FAQ that all applicants who lodged an application for a GSM visa before the minister announced the new list of occupations. Would not be affected by these proposed changes..... But how about its priority processing ??.... DIAC has no clear statement regarding this... Maybe they will process all pending applications before processing the new one that's why they suspend certain GSM's... What do you think Sir George??
Dear Adhetz,

You should look at the ANZSCO - unit group 2612 seems to have been omitted.

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Originally Posted by George Lombard
The truth about the changes in the IT area hasn't yet been revealed - I agree it looks sticky for people in IT security but until the assessing bodies have been specified and their parameters identified, I don't think it helps to speculate. Bear in mind too that most states currently have IT security in their list of occupations to be sponsored and they would not have reached saturation point with IT security skills, whatever DIAC's thinking might be about the number of applications received using that specialisation.

So, yes, more waiting in store.

Cheers,

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Hi George,

I read your above post and completely agree with you.I do believe the way they have mentioned IT skills in the new SOL is in a very vague and general manner.

I find it hard to digest the fact that IT occupations which were on the old SOL and CSL would be, all of a sudden be removed as you are bringing in highly skilled people in the areas of computing and technology. People who could contribute to the the australian economy with their specialized skills.You cant think of IT occupations in the same line as trade occupations such as hairdressers and cooks which were exploiting the old system and not significantly contributing to the australian economy.Flooding the market with thousands of hairdresses and cooks is not really gonna give a boost to the economy.



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