FenTiger

I second this

wolfi

Are you still allowed to brew your fifty liters of pálinka (per person ...) tax-free?

Think that's enough?

Food for thought:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/20/george-soros-theresa-may-wont-last-and-donald-trump-is-would-be-dictator

jetsam1

I believe you need to buy some stamps from the local Posta and then you are on your way! This is to cover tax, still cheap though.

Bauhaus etc still sell home Palinka distillation kits so I think it will be fine.

mawood47

OK will be Removed and Watt is going to it after Brit-ex
Changes in European inheritance from 15 August 2015 will this mean any EU Country readjustment to Watt they think is Fair Conditions to gain moor Money digger47

wolfi

An interesting opinion piece from British IT rag The Register on May's plans - or not:
Why Theresa May’s hard Brexit might be softer than you think • The Register

jetsam1

I am trying to be positive but it is starting to look ever more concerning with talk of reprisals over the UKs government refusal to even acknowledge some form of security for EU citizens living in the UK.

Anyone else considering starting to speak to lawyers or emailing the Hungarian government to try and see what the policy direction may be? There may be relatively few UK citizens living here so they will either treat us as an irrelevance and badly or as an irrelevance and be fine with us staying put.

I have two small children both of whom are Hungarian citizens and if anything happens with me I will guarentee my wife will have bother returning to the UK as we all know how non-EU spouses are treated at the moment despite the potential mahoosive backlog I will expect once A50 is actually implemented. It will be funny as she has enough NI payments to qualify for the basic state pension and we got married in Yorkshire!!

We are carrying on as we were but having to look at pushing a few things forward such as selling my house in England as I will presume the Hungarian authorities will count money in the bank towards residency as they don't count income from abroad i.e. a rent. Either way I won't be living there again.

I have to hope being an Ostermelo is enough. Through vandalism and me losing a year to major surgery we have barely started so only have two and a bit years. That will get me to 5 years resident though.

What were the requirements for residency in Hungary prior to them joining the EU? That might give some clues as to where they might go? I am mainly getting jumpy for the kids, the youngest is only eight months....

wolfi

Jetsam, you shouldn't worry too much!

I'm sure there will be a solution for you and your family - in the end Hungary will (have to ...) give in, because they need the money from the EU and the UK is not a "foreign country".

Again a bit OT:
Switzerland just had a referendum on immigrants and the majority agreed on making it easier for dependants (grandchildren) of immigrants - we Europeans are not heartless idiots!

Thairetired2016

I assumed that anybody applying for a visa to visit any EU country is required to show medical cover?
Or does this only apply to Schengen?

mawood47

Thairetired2106;
Yes any one whom is Traveling into a Schengen Country out side the EU Country,UK residents, Not at Present Time, But This May Be after BRIT-EX??, Must have Medical Insurance cover, my Fiancee is traveling in to Hungary from Kiev and all so when in UK she will have to re-apply at each Visa ending time to re-enter a Schengen Country. digger47

scrubbedexpat0105

If you've already made the decision not to return to the UK, why not aim to become a Hungarian citizen? By the time the UK leaves the EU, you'll have been a resident for the minimum of 5 years required before you can apply.

One thing that can never hurt is working on your Hungarian.

jetsam1

If I HAVE to go back it will be back to Scotland, probably on my own if May has her way and if previous behaviour is a guide to the future. Being Scottish I will be fine if independence happens as will my family as an independent Scotland is likely to be much more welcoming. I simply don't see any future going back to the North of England where I largely grew up as before I left there where no decent jobs and I will presume that that is still the case. I have two degrees in geology and am not working in a call centre!!! If I had stayed where I was in my previous career I would have been moving anyway. I just made the wrong decision not to retrain as a joiner or a plumber and go for a Msc!!

Just bought new hives to bring us up to 80 this year and that counts as full time self employed apparently so will see what develops.

I certainly have one eye on dual nationality and really I must find a new teacher for Hungarian, though not so easy it seems outside Budapest......

Peter_in_Hungary

The requirements for residency before Hungary joined the EU was the system I entered under. I have a Hungarian wife and 2 kids all dual nationals. (Kids born in UK and also registered at the Hungarian Embassy in London? my wife a dual national as a result of 1956) I got my permission whilst still in England as we did not want to come here to find that I was 'not welcome'. My wife came back as a 'returning national' and as I was married to her I applied for and got (via the Hungarian embassy) settler status. This status gives me the right to stay, to work, to pay taxes(?) to vote in local elections, to stand for local council office/mayor and to buy land. I can't vote in national elections or become an MP. For this I have a green ID card. As I said it was all done and dusted before we came here but I don't know if this status still exists.

If you are an Ostermelo and you show income via this by the time you are eligible for residency you should be able to show income. Income as an Ostermelo is easy to show as you just need some samala with the names and addresses of the purchaser and a whole bunch of Nyugta which are essentially like till receipts and are usually without names and addresses so not back traceable. You my also find it advantageous to become a 'family farm' which combines all the agrictural income for the family and multiplies up the tax allowances and also has bureaucratic advantages with grants and land purchase.

In your position I would be looking to hang on to the UK property if it is rentable as the rent income is usually a disproportionate amount compared to Hungarian incomes, even after any agents fees. Rental income is taxed in the UK for which you get your personal tax allowance to mitigate UK income tax and this does not have to be declared in Hungary, (so says my (Hungarian) accountant about my rental income!)

FenTiger

A good point but I think you have to weigh up whether you are prepared for the hassle if a tenant defaults on paying the rent. You would have to keep flying back and forth to attend court to get the tenant out. Not only will you lose rent but probably have to refurbish the whole property because the tenant had ripped out everything.

Peter_in_Hungary

Oh and don't forget that as an Ostermelo you have to get your Ostermelo card validated annually at the Falugazdász office so that you can get your card on which to enter sales. This I believe has top be done before some time in March

jetsam1

Never intended to be a landlord. My plan would be to sell what I have as it is a big detached family building and if I didn't have friends in there it probably wouldn't be worth renting out. I will buy something smaller and cheaper in Scotland to rent out and use the difference on the business and a house here. ANd keep plenty in the bank. I think the trick is to really research your letting agent. Don't use one currently but it depends on the property type, rental level and area.

Just got my new Ostermelo card the other week. Will be keeping abreast of what changes.....