Thinking of buying...
#16
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Re: Thinking of buying...
reinterpretation indicates that the original is unchanged, but it is being viewed differently.
In the context of foreign ownership, property law has not changed since 2000, I'm not even sure that the law is being reinterpreted - parts of it are being ignored but that is not unusual in India.
there were resident foreigners who purchased before 2007 who were able to register their deeds; there were foreigners who purchased before 2000 with RBI permission, it is possible (though not very likely) that a few of them were not resident as per FERA.
... without RBI permission. This has always been the case.
An ill advised admission perhaps, but there have been several cases accepted by the the ED where people are routinely away from India for 5 or 6 months a year. Legally speaking you only have to be resident at the instant of purchase but....
It is in the nature of inheritance that the testator(s) must be dead.
Bipat, I didn't comment on your earlier post because even though technically incorrect it did give a valid flavour of the situation, but please don't try to justify it as legally correct.
AndyD 8-)₹
In the context of foreign ownership, property law has not changed since 2000, I'm not even sure that the law is being reinterpreted - parts of it are being ignored but that is not unusual in India.
there were resident foreigners who purchased before 2007 who were able to register their deeds; there were foreigners who purchased before 2000 with RBI permission, it is possible (though not very likely) that a few of them were not resident as per FERA.
... without RBI permission. This has always been the case.
An ill advised admission perhaps, but there have been several cases accepted by the the ED where people are routinely away from India for 5 or 6 months a year. Legally speaking you only have to be resident at the instant of purchase but....
It is in the nature of inheritance that the testator(s) must be dead.
Bipat, I didn't comment on your earlier post because even though technically incorrect it did give a valid flavour of the situation, but please don't try to justify it as legally correct.
AndyD 8-)₹
Andy most of my knowledge of buying in Goa has come from reading your posts! (and then looking up further).
2000 is not that long ago in legal terms. Your previous posts have certainly given rise to the view that there is a change in the situation in practice.
You yourself have posted about only just registering your deeds.
In our dealings with property law in India (in a different context and not in Goa) the law has not been ignored.
Obviously for inheritance the testator must be dead! This OP wishes to buy from a living relative.
Resident at the instant of purchase?
http://finmin.nic.in/the_ministry/de...A_act_1999.pdf
Are you really saying that it is possible for this OP to just get a business visa and purchase in Goa legally which is what he/she asked!!!!
Last edited by Bipat; Jun 29th 2014 at 11:01 pm.
#17
Re: Thinking of buying...
An interesting consequence of these rules is the transient nature of FEMA residency. Compare the case of residency for income tax purposes where it is possible to decide at the start of a fiscal year whether a person was resident in the ‘relevant previous year’ (and no subsequent action in the current year will change that), whereas a person who is FEMA resident at the start of a fiscal year can instantly loose that resident status e.g. by leaving India to take up employment abroad.
When considering FEMA residency then it is necessary to ask the question “at that particular date and time was the person resident?”
Are you really saying that it is possible for this OP to just get a business visa and purchase in Goa legally which is what he/she asked!!!!
In my opinion (inalb etc.) the only option open to OP before retirement is an informal arrangement with the present owners, based on mutual trust - this could include provision to inherit the property.
* It is the business which would buy any property, not the person.
AndyD 8-)₹
#18
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Location: eastbourne uk and benaulim goa
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Re: Thinking of buying...
have you got the message yet??? whatever course of action you take, you WILL incur lots of agro and NEVER be happy because you will constantly be in fear of having it all taken from you.
we bought a villa via a business, via a advocate, via the builder, via fema etc etc.....never got the deeds, every time we went there, it was trips to accountant, trips to builder cos of problems, and trips to advocate for advice. we even saw the diplomat at London's indian embassy for clarification. he said we shouldn't have bought it cos we will never own it. you do everything you are advised by law, and you still worry. it's no holiday!!!!
we bought it to retire to and ended up selling 5 years later. I'm sure this whole event was contributed to my stroke.
we now (or used to) just fly out there and stay in a bed and breakfast. a most enjoyable holiday ..........
they say if you are a yachtsman, there are 2 very distinct happy days..........
the day you buy your yacht is one.
the day you eventually sell it is another!
it is very definitely the same as owning a house in india.
DONT BOTHER
we bought a villa via a business, via a advocate, via the builder, via fema etc etc.....never got the deeds, every time we went there, it was trips to accountant, trips to builder cos of problems, and trips to advocate for advice. we even saw the diplomat at London's indian embassy for clarification. he said we shouldn't have bought it cos we will never own it. you do everything you are advised by law, and you still worry. it's no holiday!!!!
we bought it to retire to and ended up selling 5 years later. I'm sure this whole event was contributed to my stroke.
we now (or used to) just fly out there and stay in a bed and breakfast. a most enjoyable holiday ..........
they say if you are a yachtsman, there are 2 very distinct happy days..........
the day you buy your yacht is one.
the day you eventually sell it is another!
it is very definitely the same as owning a house in india.
DONT BOTHER
#19
Re: Thinking of buying...
Some of you may have noticed I have moved the latest post made by Dreadsoc to a thread of it's own
This is for two reasons.
1 - This is quite an old thread
2 - I felt the advice really deserved to be in it's own specific place .
Thanks
This is for two reasons.
1 - This is quite an old thread
2 - I felt the advice really deserved to be in it's own specific place .
Thanks
#20
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Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 234
Re: Thinking of buying...
Puerto'
Advice straight from the fool's mouth.
DO NOT BUY IN GOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Davie.
Advice straight from the fool's mouth.
DO NOT BUY IN GOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Davie.
#21
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Location: eastbourne uk and benaulim goa
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Re: Thinking of buying...
now compare that with all the talk on this sight about whether or not they own their property. some even losing it.
now whose the bloody fool?
#22
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Re: Thinking of buying...
why the fools mouth? been there, bought the house, had a great time, made a huge profit when selling, and GOT the money back here. bought a flat here and the rent coming in pays for all the holidays out there with NO risk at all.
now compare that with all the talk on this sight about whether or not they own their property. some even losing it.
now whose the bloody fool?
now compare that with all the talk on this sight about whether or not they own their property. some even losing it.
now whose the bloody fool?
Agree-- with above, so many have suffered from corruption and criminal activity and the law regarding their property buying, but then so many Indian people suffer from similar (if for different reasons) troubles regarding property, and they are stuck with moving in with relatives, and/or losing money.
Hope things are now improving for all.
#23
Re: Thinking of buying...
why the fools mouth? been there, bought the house, had a great time, made a huge profit when selling, and GOT the money back here. bought a flat here and the rent coming in pays for all the holidays out there with NO risk at all.
now compare that with all the talk on this sight about whether or not they own their property. some even losing it.
now whose the bloody fool?
now compare that with all the talk on this sight about whether or not they own their property. some even losing it.
now whose the bloody fool?
#24
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Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 234
Re: Thinking of buying...
why the fools mouth? been there, bought the house, had a great time, made a huge profit when selling, and GOT the money back here. bought a flat here and the rent coming in pays for all the holidays out there with NO risk at all.
now compare that with all the talk on this sight about whether or not they own their property. some even losing it.
now whose the bloody fool?
now compare that with all the talk on this sight about whether or not they own their property. some even losing it.
now whose the bloody fool?
Why did you interpret my post as referring to you?
I'm the fool!! Too complicated for you to understand?
Davie.
#25
Re: Thinking of buying...
OK people. All take a deep breathe in and out. I think something may have been lost in translation with the past few posts.
I can quite understand feelings running high with this issue but there is no need for the personal comments and jibes at all is there.
So. Just a reminder of the rules.
Thanks
I can quite understand feelings running high with this issue but there is no need for the personal comments and jibes at all is there.
So. Just a reminder of the rules.
1. Personal Attacks
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BritishExpats.com is an interactive site, and everyone who participates is “in it together”, please treat others the way you wish to be treated. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Challenge others’ points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully … without insult or personal attack.