wheatsheaf

There's another unsavoury dimension to this situation. It doesnt apply specifically to Goans and Goa, but since this is the Goa forum, and for illustrative purposes it seems suitable.

Historically, and even today, Goans are known to be peaceful and law abiding when they are outside Goa. In fact they have a reputation based on over 2 centuries of experience, of being law abiding, assimilating into even the most exclusionary societies by generally abiding to local customs/traditions to the point even of some traditional societies they are settled into, regarding Goans as weak.

There has been a lot written about how this particular trait has come about with most writer pointing to the global influence of just being Goan. This applies, it is said, not just to Catholic Goans, but also to Hindu and Muslim Goans. Of course this may be changing now in this past decade.

The point here however, is that the young generation of Goans today face the same scrutiny as the stereotyped "troublemaker" "terrorist" "lawbreaker" in western countries that feel threatened by the "The Caliphate".

This is a new experience for Goans overseas and one which many Goans have never experienced or anticipated. The point is that, the depth of the scrutiny is leaving many "conformists" or people with cultural affinity feeling isolated and victimised, and for some even traumatised more so when the allegiance to western cultures and democratic institutions run deep. By "deep" is meant there has been and is no other historical or present identity.

For older Goans the fear is constant. For younger Goans the fear is daily that they will be mistaken just as the Brazilian shot on the London underground was. Add job security, travel security and all other implications, and there is a process which could have a very negative effect on a section of naturally allied people.

I have heard of well brought up youths, living in good areas in many parts of the world, some who are practising Catholic Goans, attired as any other normal youth being stopped at gunpoint not once or twice but regularly by police patrols. Deliberate pub and bar fights, tickets issued for loitering in large supermarkets and even schools finding the most minor of incidences as reason to create and document files of Goan youth. Universities and colleges actively restrain participation in subject such as Chemistry, a subject which many Goans for example, excelled in a decade ago.

Hopefully the people who have their feet on the ground realise the many facets of dealing with the unsavoury threats to society, and deal intelligently and knowledgeaby with it, understanding that there are 2 types of "training camps". One good. The other bad.

fatbrit

The UK government hasn't descended as far as the Italian one yet. Presumably you'd like it to?

Scandals that would almost certainly topple the leader of any other Western democracy — alleged encounters with underage prostitutes, corruption charges, unabashed cronyism — have yet to knock Silvio Berlusconi off his perch as Italy's prime minister, a post he has held for most of the last decade.
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The pillars of a democratic society — the rule of law and the role of ethics in public life — have been seriously eroded by Italy's political establishment and by Berlusconi in particular, creating a "democracy deficit," critics say.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb...sconi-20110217

noni

Yes. it is a good idea not to follow the rule of law if it gets rid of the scum bags, in fact it would save us all money if they were treated in this country like they would have been treated in theirs.

fatbrit

You're now calling for Sharia law in the UK and the end of the system of laws and democracy we have developed for over a millennium....to get rid of a single scum bag? I think you're trying to crack a teeny weeny nut with a nuclear weapon.

Bipat

What about all the thousands of home-grown criminals; like the 3 that shot the little girl. They cost us a great deal of money to keep in prison, far more than one Jordanian terrorist in a house.
In fact it was to save money by deporting him instead of charging him with offences in the UK, that UK is in this position now. The other big mistake was in failing to sort out the 'evidence obtained by torture' issue with Jordan long ago.
Let us not compound the problem by our government failing to follow the law.

noni

I'll be cracking your teeny weeny nut with a nuclear weapon one of these days.

gregit

Sharia law sounds great;
Many Muslims, however, hold a different view. In the Islamic tradition Sharia is seen as something that nurtures humanity. They see the Sharia not in the light of something primitive but as something divinely revealed. In a society where social problems are endemic, Sharia frees humanity to realise its individual potential.

If the majority of Muslims believe this whats the problem
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...sharia_1.shtml

cant see the right to bear arms but similiar to American constituition

noni

Here endeth this evenings bed time reading! Good night all.

noni

India: Visa bloopers

31 Mar: Asian Age. By Shashi Tharoor, MP. ... If soft power is about making your country attractive to foreigners, the Indian bureaucracy seems determined to do everything in its power to achieve the opposite effect … Travellers on tourist visas may now not return to India for a period of at least two months after a previous visit … stories made me cringe with embarrassment, but their wide repetition around the world certainly did India’s image a great deal of harm … Things are not much better for those already here for longer stays. After 26/11, even people running charities for decades have been asked to pack up and leave when they apply to renew their visas… India’s ability to promote and leverage its soft power in the world will receive a major boost only if and when the country’s visa policy is thoroughly re-examined and, ideally, revised…


www.goanvoice.org.uk


Muslim insurgents kill eight and wound dozens more with bomb blast in Thailand

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz1qiu0NtVH

noni

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Gandhi's glasses among incredible haul of belongings from Indian peace campaigner set to fetch £80,000

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1qqhFsz9w

johnny five

http://www.navhindtimes.in/goa-news/...olim-link-road

Hell of a diversion if its where I think it is.......... and for 2 months (at least)


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k800mer

I see from the page your link takes us too that Goan petrol stations are having the same problem - running out of petrol - as UK petrol stations although the Goans are filling their tanks for a different reason. In the UK I belive the threatened strike is a plot by Labour and the unions aimed at bringing down the democratically elected government.

msj5

Yes it is the road in front of Siolim Church.
It is making it very difficult for my maid to get to my house as the buses she has always used (en route to Mapusa) are taking a completely route and not going anywhere near the Church.

a_f_d

What democratically elected government? There may be a democratically elected Parliament but that's not quite the same thing!

AndyD 8-)#

gregit

'IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE THEN GO HOME'
Think that's what he means:
"All those who make remarks contrary to the values of the Republic will be instantly put outside the territory of the French Republic, there will no exception, there will be no leniency,"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17592569

If only:fingerscrosse d: