noni

How to get tough with a terrorist: As UK agonises over Qatada, Italy simply ignores Euro judges and kicks out fanaticWe can't reverse Italy's deportation of terrorist to Tunisia, admits ECHR

Tory MP leads calls for Britain to follow suit with hate cleric Abu Qatada


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A country with balls. Ours are wimps.

Bipat

It's a little more complicated than "balls" Noni. The British were instrumental in setting up the ECHR, and this particular case involves Article 3 (probably the most important), The right to be free from torture.
If individual countries can choose when to obey the rulings what would be the point of the Convention?

Updating the Convention is needed and UK must push for this.

Italy is also notorious for ignoring EU directives, hardly worthy of praise is it?

johnny five

Looks like Herald's web-site is b@ggered yet again!

They really need to send their IT chimp for extra training.......

gregit

How long before this man is sued ???
Decided to show him about Iraq,Iran put him in a choke hold

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17532597

blah,blah,blah Human rights,Torture,Civil liberties

Well Done Sir

fatbrit

What are you talking about? A pilot has a serious mental health issue while flying, and the co-pilot lands the plane while the passengers restrain the pilot.

What in heavens name does this have to do with human rights, torture or civil liberties?

gregit

This Health issue was picked up on the plane ? Or lack of screening of the pilots. I sure some yank lawyer can prove how he should have been treated more fairly, humanely by the rest of the staff thats the culture

fatbrit

From what we've so far learned, I don't see the pilot being successful in a civil suit for damages against those who restrained him. He was clearly a danger to others, and sitting on him for an hour would seem reasonable given the circumstances.

American torts are inherited from British common law. They're more common than in the UK for two reasons:
1/ Government regulation to protect consumers is much weaker, so often your only hope of recompense or preventing it happening again is through the courts.
2/ Damages which would be covered by the state in the UK (e.g. someone broke your leg) are not so covered in the US.

gregit

So as I said fatbrit the lawyer in 'you' can;t see he will be sued, but that doesn't mean some smart ass American lawyer isn't making a case right now that his rights weren't infringed, and sue the man that restrained him.

fatbrit

This conversation is getting surreal. It's around 300 bucks to file suit BTW, and anyone can file. If someone files suit my bet is that it'll be a passenger claiming they can no longer fly, and this is due to the airline's negligence in not spotting the problem before it occurred. I really think your theory that the pilot sues because he was restrained is a real outsider.

But none of this has anything to do with human rights, torture or civil liberties -- your original rather bizarre claim.

noni

Sorry Bipat, but the Italians have balls, our Government have no bollox at all, sorry about the language, but get rid of the dregs on our resources put them on a plane home.

fatbrit

Italy scores very low in the Rule of Law Index, whereas the UK comes out quite well. Is that what you mean by balls?

http://worldjusticeproject.org/sites...roli2011_0.pdf

mytriumph

Go for it, Noni, that's what the British government should be doing for a stack of so called "human rights" issues.
Promote hate and off to Heathrow and bypass the courts, now that is something that shows the government has balls.

fatbrit

But is it a good idea not to follow the rule of law? Countries who don't follow it seem to be rather less successful than those who do.

Bipat

You mean break the law. Ignore the ruling of a Court that Britain itself set up?
Is that the sort of Government you want? One rule for the rest of Europe drafted by Britain, but UK can opt out!!!!

noni

Our Government break their own rules every day when it suits them. How you can stand up for them God only knows. Get rid of the scrum.