moving to Germany
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moving to Germany
Hi there,
we are planning to move to Germany in spring 2016. The reason is quite clear as I am german but my husband is not. And here the problem starts. His language knowledge is not even basic yet We thought about that I'll go back to work and he'll look after the kids and visits a german course. Ok, that sounds not to bad to me But he'll also have to go back to work after a while (we wanted to give it 6 months time to study the language). My husband studied carpentry here in London ages ago and works since then as a carpenter self employed. Now we are wondering how will his chances be in GER to find a job with his profession?
We still didn't decide where exactly to go - just think that the northern part would be ideal, as it's close to Netherlands where he could have better job chances.
Are there any experiences from carpenters in this forum?
we are planning to move to Germany in spring 2016. The reason is quite clear as I am german but my husband is not. And here the problem starts. His language knowledge is not even basic yet We thought about that I'll go back to work and he'll look after the kids and visits a german course. Ok, that sounds not to bad to me But he'll also have to go back to work after a while (we wanted to give it 6 months time to study the language). My husband studied carpentry here in London ages ago and works since then as a carpenter self employed. Now we are wondering how will his chances be in GER to find a job with his profession?
We still didn't decide where exactly to go - just think that the northern part would be ideal, as it's close to Netherlands where he could have better job chances.
Are there any experiences from carpenters in this forum?
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Re: moving to Germany
If your husband is a non EEA citizen, maybe it would be better for the whole family to settle in the Netherlands first and then move back to Germany under the Surinder Singh route -
https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/surinder-singh
https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/surinder-singh
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Re: moving to Germany
If your husband is a non EEA citizen, maybe it would be better for the whole family to settle in the Netherlands first and then move back to Germany under the Surinder Singh route -
https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/surinder-singh
https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/surinder-singh
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Re: moving to Germany
§ 28 AufenthG Familiennachzug zu Deutschen - dejure.org
(If the spouse is an EU national, they don't of course even need a residence permit.)
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Not necessary. Foreign spouses of German nationals living in Germany are routinely issued with a three-year German residence permit (and subsequently with a permanent residence permit):
§ 28 AufenthG Familiennachzug zu Deutschen - dejure.org
(If the spouse is an EU national, they don't of course even need a residence permit.)
§ 28 AufenthG Familiennachzug zu Deutschen - dejure.org
(If the spouse is an EU national, they don't of course even need a residence permit.)
But also thanks to you
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Re: moving to Germany
There is no "language test" for a spousal visa.
But even though the vast majority of Germans are rather fluent in English, German fluency will broaden his chances of becoming gainfully employed by many orders of magnitude. Even as a selbständig Schreiner, German fluency will be key (people prefer clarity particularly with bespoke work), unless he limits his clients to native English-speakers.
For a more active dialogue about this in English, you both may benefit from toytown, Germany's largest and most popular English-language expat forum.
But even though the vast majority of Germans are rather fluent in English, German fluency will broaden his chances of becoming gainfully employed by many orders of magnitude. Even as a selbständig Schreiner, German fluency will be key (people prefer clarity particularly with bespoke work), unless he limits his clients to native English-speakers.
For a more active dialogue about this in English, you both may benefit from toytown, Germany's largest and most popular English-language expat forum.
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Re: moving to Germany
There is no "language test" for a spousal visa.
But even though the vast majority of Germans are rather fluent in English, German fluency will broaden his chances of becoming gainfully employed by many orders of magnitude. Even as a selbständig Schreiner, German fluency will be key (people prefer clarity particularly with bespoke work), unless he limits his clients to native English-speakers.
For a more active dialogue about this in English, you both may benefit from toytown, Germany's largest and most popular English-language expat forum.
But even though the vast majority of Germans are rather fluent in English, German fluency will broaden his chances of becoming gainfully employed by many orders of magnitude. Even as a selbständig Schreiner, German fluency will be key (people prefer clarity particularly with bespoke work), unless he limits his clients to native English-speakers.
For a more active dialogue about this in English, you both may benefit from toytown, Germany's largest and most popular English-language expat forum.
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Re: moving to Germany
Lived in Germany for nearly 2 decades. Friends, neighbours, acquaintances from all over the world living in Germany on spousal visas, never submitting to any such "language test". You do, however, have to provide valid proof of marriage.
You don't have to prove language fluency though. That is completely irrelevant to your status as a spouse. A person is still married regardless of which languages they speak, and under German and EU law, legitimate spouses of German/EU nationals are entitled to a residence visa.
But again, language is as a practical matter, extremely important in day-to-day life, wherever you live.
You don't have to prove language fluency though. That is completely irrelevant to your status as a spouse. A person is still married regardless of which languages they speak, and under German and EU law, legitimate spouses of German/EU nationals are entitled to a residence visa.
But again, language is as a practical matter, extremely important in day-to-day life, wherever you live.
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Re: moving to Germany
Lived in Germany for nearly 2 decades. Friends, neighbours, acquaintances from all over the world living in Germany on spousal visas, never submitting to any such "language test". You do, however, have to provide valid proof of marriage.
You don't have to prove language fluency though. That is completely irrelevant to your status as a spouse. A person is still married regardless of which languages they speak, and under German and EU law, legitimate spouses of German/EU nationals are entitled to a residence visa.
But again, language is as a practical matter, extremely important in day-to-day life, wherever you live.
You don't have to prove language fluency though. That is completely irrelevant to your status as a spouse. A person is still married regardless of which languages they speak, and under German and EU law, legitimate spouses of German/EU nationals are entitled to a residence visa.
But again, language is as a practical matter, extremely important in day-to-day life, wherever you live.
Thanks again
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Re: moving to Germany
Well, that's a new one on me.
Nonetheless, I suspect that amongst the various challenges of getting your marriage cert legally translated, along with all other required bureaucracy, in the end, being able to say "ja, das ist mein Deutsch sehr gut" will likely be sufficient to compel the proper stamp to meet paper without hesitation. So its probably worth a little practice. He'll need it anyway.
Good luck with all that. Germany can be a great place to live - not without warts, but certainly a good standard of living.
Nonetheless, I suspect that amongst the various challenges of getting your marriage cert legally translated, along with all other required bureaucracy, in the end, being able to say "ja, das ist mein Deutsch sehr gut" will likely be sufficient to compel the proper stamp to meet paper without hesitation. So its probably worth a little practice. He'll need it anyway.
Good luck with all that. Germany can be a great place to live - not without warts, but certainly a good standard of living.
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Re: moving to Germany
AHEAD is correct:
BAMF - Bundesamt für Migration und Flüchtlinge - Ehepartner/Familie nachholen
However, there are a number of exceptions, e.g.:
Ihr Ehegatte Deutscher ist und er zuvor durch einen längeren Aufenthalt in einem anderen EU-Mitgliedstaat von seinem europäischen Freizügigkeitsrecht Gebrauch gemacht hat
"Ihr Ehegatte" in this case is AHEAD, who has been in the UK for some time, correct?
Apart from that, what amideislas said. AHEAD's husband is going to need German anyway – it's not just a formality for getting a visa. So head down and learn as much and as fast as possible.
BAMF - Bundesamt für Migration und Flüchtlinge - Ehepartner/Familie nachholen
However, there are a number of exceptions, e.g.:
Ihr Ehegatte Deutscher ist und er zuvor durch einen längeren Aufenthalt in einem anderen EU-Mitgliedstaat von seinem europäischen Freizügigkeitsrecht Gebrauch gemacht hat
"Ihr Ehegatte" in this case is AHEAD, who has been in the UK for some time, correct?
Apart from that, what amideislas said. AHEAD's husband is going to need German anyway – it's not just a formality for getting a visa. So head down and learn as much and as fast as possible.
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Re: moving to Germany
Living inb Germany without a working knowledge of the language is to condemn yourself to perpetual childhood. When you want something you will have to find someone who can help you out in English.
Not every German is fluent or even competent in English. Many would take exception to your expectation that you can get things done using English. I certainly would.
Glueck auf !
Not every German is fluent or even competent in English. Many would take exception to your expectation that you can get things done using English. I certainly would.
Glueck auf !
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Re: moving to Germany
Living inb Germany without a working knowledge of the language is to condemn yourself to perpetual childhood. When you want something you will have to find someone who can help you out in English.
Not every German is fluent or even competent in English. Many would take exception to your expectation that you can get things done using English. I certainly would.
Glueck auf !
Not every German is fluent or even competent in English. Many would take exception to your expectation that you can get things done using English. I certainly would.
Glueck auf !
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Re: moving to Germany
There seems to be an obsession with Germany these days (maybe because of media) and there are more and more people wanting to move without speaking a word of German. The 800.000 Flüchtlinge wanting to come to Germany this year is a different story, but in this case the OP is German and apart from that what are the reasons of moving? If you're financially secure and don't really need a job it can certainly work, because it's no different than being on holiday. If you need work to survive and depending on age, current quality of life, I would really rethink a move to Germany these days.