Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
Jun 12th 2016, 2:30 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
So is much of the population of Britain ...... If you go back a thousand years, everyone (who's family aren't recent immigrants) is related to everyone else, so perhaps one third of your genes are Anglo-Saxon and Nordic.
Jun 12th 2016, 2:57 pm
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Jun 12th 2016, 9:02 pm
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As are most of us. Boris' recent Turkish ancestry is more of a irony given that a main argument for the Leave campaign is to save us from Turkish migrants should they join the EU.
Jun 13th 2016, 7:28 am
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
All these doom and gloom scenarios for Brits abroad after a "Brexit" are almost as bad as the scaremongering of the remain camp. As for requiring a VISA..I could only chuckle at that. There were very good arrangements in place long before the UK joined the EEC, mainly because Germany was always welcoming to skilled people regardless of nationality, and the very reason I became an expat. Listening to vindictive old "geezers" like Schauble and Juncker is really not going to help. Sure there will be some attempts to sabotage attempts by UK to negotiate specific deals if there is a Brexit..but what's new? Besides Germany would shoot itself in the foot..the UK is too important a trading partner, regardless of the EU. The world is our (The UK's) Oyster and always has been. Lots of good trade deals in place before EEC membership were (and still are) restricted by EU membership..no reason why they can't be reestablished at prior levels. There is a large amount of frustration within other established EU members which of course is barely mentioned in the press, mainly because there are like minded countries wanting to readjust some of the silly policies from Brussels.
Let's just wait a few days and we will know for sure!!
Let's just wait a few days and we will know for sure!!
As was said we don't really know how this will play out but it is more than clear that should the UK impose restrictions on European immigration, Europe will answer in turn. And seeing that European immigration is one of the major issues that British have with the EU I expect that the UK will restrict immigration after the referendum. Hence it will be very likely that UK citizens will not be able to move freely within Europe anymore, work everywhere, and be able to retire in Spain. That is called reciprocity and is a very old principle in international law.
As you said SKILLED people will be able to apply for a visa but keep your unskilled and your retired to yourself. BTW, Germany has quiet a lot of unskilled, unemployed British. We will be very happy to repatriated them to the UK.
Jun 13th 2016, 12:38 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
A number of countries openly welcome retirees for these reasons, and the last time I checked, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Panama, among others, weren't members of the European Onion.
Jun 13th 2016, 1:35 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
On the contrary, countries such as Spain and Portugal see retirees as cash cows. The retirees typically come loaded with cash, which they spend on local products and services, thereby providing employment for the locals and boosting the local economy, and the retirees don't even take a local job.
A number of countries openly welcome retirees for these reasons, and the last time I checked, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Panama, among others, weren't members of the European Onion.
A number of countries openly welcome retirees for these reasons, and the last time I checked, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Panama, among others, weren't members of the European Onion.
Jun 13th 2016, 2:29 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
Interesting discussion, and I can see both sides of possible outcomes.
Although point well taken, I don't know that the infusion of pensioners' income (which is miniscule to the national economy) into a few select local communities makes a big difference when it comes to national immigration policy, control, and pride.
Reciprocity is a distinct possibility, especially after the wounds of such an exit. Perhaps not on the table immediately, the UK could eventually enter into the existing EEA agreement where freedom of movement is provided for some non-EU countries. Norway. Liechtenstein, Switzerland, and Iceland come to mind where their citizens can live and work in the EU, and vice-versa.
Although point well taken, I don't know that the infusion of pensioners' income (which is miniscule to the national economy) into a few select local communities makes a big difference when it comes to national immigration policy, control, and pride.
Reciprocity is a distinct possibility, especially after the wounds of such an exit. Perhaps not on the table immediately, the UK could eventually enter into the existing EEA agreement where freedom of movement is provided for some non-EU countries. Norway. Liechtenstein, Switzerland, and Iceland come to mind where their citizens can live and work in the EU, and vice-versa.
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Jun 13th 2016, 2:39 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
.... Reciprocity is a distinct possibility, especially after the the wounds of such an exit. Perhaps not on the table immediatley, the UK could eventually enter into the existing EEA agreement where freedom of movement is provided for some non-EU countries. Norway. Liechtenstein, Switzerland, and Iceland come to mind where their citizens can live and work in the EU, and vice-versa.
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Jun 14th 2016, 4:25 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
Asking what is going to happen with BREXIT is like asking someone to predict which horse will win the first race at Ascot tomorrow. NO ONE KNOWS.
Jun 14th 2016, 4:39 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
I think you can make some educated guesses, and being caught unprepared is never a good thing. A few financial experts have predicted that sterling will free fall, and that'll affect expats exchange rates and cost of living. Expat health care might also be terminated. Recent polls (Guardian) now show leaving taking the lead.
But yes you're right, no one really knows.
But yes you're right, no one really knows.
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Jun 14th 2016, 6:45 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
I could imagine the currency of the world's fifth largest economy dropping 10%, maybe as much as 20% briefly, but suggesting that it would go into "freefall" is unnecessary hyperbole. If the currency does drop that much it will just make Britain a cheaper place to invest, which in due course will lead to the currency rising again.
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Jun 14th 2016, 9:17 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
They're probably the same "experts" who four years ago were predicting that oil would go to $150/barrel and then $200/barrel within a few years.
I could imagine the currency of the world's fifth largest economy dropping 10%, maybe as much as 20% briefly, but suggesting that it would go into "freefall" is unnecessary hyperbole. If the currency does drop that much it will just make Britain a cheaper place to invest, which in due course will lead to the currency rising again.
I could imagine the currency of the world's fifth largest economy dropping 10%, maybe as much as 20% briefly, but suggesting that it would go into "freefall" is unnecessary hyperbole. If the currency does drop that much it will just make Britain a cheaper place to invest, which in due course will lead to the currency rising again.
Jun 14th 2016, 9:19 pm
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There was a young man on TV this evening being interviewed saying that he was going to vote 'leave' because if there were a huge number voting 'leave' it might wake the EU up and make them give the UK more say.
I really dispair about the youth of today, if people did that then they could vote the UK out of the EU, which was the opposite of what he really wanted
I really dispair about the youth of today, if people did that then they could vote the UK out of the EU, which was the opposite of what he really wanted
Jun 14th 2016, 9:30 pm
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Re: Can UK citizen remain living in Germany if we leave EU
There was a young man on TV this evening being interviewed saying that he was going to vote 'leave' because if there were a huge number voting 'leave' it might wake the EU up and make them give the UK more say.
I really dispair about the youth of today, if people did that then they could vote the UK out of the EU, which was the opposite of what he really wanted
I really dispair about the youth of today, if people did that then they could vote the UK out of the EU, which was the opposite of what he really wanted
