Right to live in France
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Right to live in France
Hi Everyone,
This is the first of a number of questions I hope I can get some advice on. My wife and I are British passport holders and I have been able to register my birth in Ireland so I will also have an EU passport. We plan to come and live in France early next year and will be retired with a smallish, but reasonable enough income from letting. My question is, assuming the very worst and UK crashes out of the EU next year, where does my wife stand as married to a non-French EU passport holder? Of course, none of us can guess what will happen about Brexit, but assuming nothing changes either for better or worse concerning non-EU citizens married to EU passport holders, can anyone suggest what we might expect?
Thanks
This is the first of a number of questions I hope I can get some advice on. My wife and I are British passport holders and I have been able to register my birth in Ireland so I will also have an EU passport. We plan to come and live in France early next year and will be retired with a smallish, but reasonable enough income from letting. My question is, assuming the very worst and UK crashes out of the EU next year, where does my wife stand as married to a non-French EU passport holder? Of course, none of us can guess what will happen about Brexit, but assuming nothing changes either for better or worse concerning non-EU citizens married to EU passport holders, can anyone suggest what we might expect?
Thanks
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Re: Right to live in France
Hi Everyone,
This is the first of a number of questions I hope I can get some advice on. My wife and I are British passport holders and I have been able to register my birth in Ireland so I will also have an EU passport. We plan to come and live in France early next year and will be retired with a smallish, but reasonable enough income from letting. My question is, assuming the very worst and UK crashes out of the EU next year, where does my wife stand as married to a non-French EU passport holder? Of course, none of us can guess what will happen about Brexit, but assuming nothing changes either for better or worse concerning non-EU citizens married to EU passport holders, can anyone suggest what we might expect?
Thanks
This is the first of a number of questions I hope I can get some advice on. My wife and I are British passport holders and I have been able to register my birth in Ireland so I will also have an EU passport. We plan to come and live in France early next year and will be retired with a smallish, but reasonable enough income from letting. My question is, assuming the very worst and UK crashes out of the EU next year, where does my wife stand as married to a non-French EU passport holder? Of course, none of us can guess what will happen about Brexit, but assuming nothing changes either for better or worse concerning non-EU citizens married to EU passport holders, can anyone suggest what we might expect?
Thanks
No one knows how Brexit will turn out.
Something more urgent to consider is your healthcare insurance. If you're "inactive" pre-retirees, you'll have to take out private insurance until you receive a UK State Pension or qualify for residence status, and get into the French Social Security System.
Bear in mind that you must declare your letting (and any other world-wide) income to the French Tax Office.
You'd have to look into the question of justifying domicile for the various Authorities - I've no idea how they deal with people living in a boat (as per your other thread). Some one in the know may come along to advise...
Hope this is of some help!
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Re: Right to live in France
Hi dmu,
Thanks for the reply. Yes I'm aware of the need for medical insurance and the problems of whether living on a boat would count as being resident. They were going to be some of my later questions. I have certainly managed in the past (2 years in the canals and 2 years sailing in the med) to use marina addresses for post, deliveries and even a wifi contract. I agree no one knows what will happen after Brexit. I was really wondering what the situation is now for an Eu passport owning Brit with a non Eu passport owning wife to give me some idea of what possibly to expect. Probably too hypothetical a question.
Thanks for the reply. Yes I'm aware of the need for medical insurance and the problems of whether living on a boat would count as being resident. They were going to be some of my later questions. I have certainly managed in the past (2 years in the canals and 2 years sailing in the med) to use marina addresses for post, deliveries and even a wifi contract. I agree no one knows what will happen after Brexit. I was really wondering what the situation is now for an Eu passport owning Brit with a non Eu passport owning wife to give me some idea of what possibly to expect. Probably too hypothetical a question.
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Hi dmu,
Thanks for the reply. Yes I'm aware of the need for medical insurance and the problems of whether living on a boat would count as being resident. They were going to be some of my later questions. I have certainly managed in the past (2 years in the canals and 2 years sailing in the med) to use marina addresses for post, deliveries and even a wifi contract. I agree no one knows what will happen after Brexit. I was really wondering what the situation is now for an Eu passport owning Brit with a non Eu passport owning wife to give me some idea of what possibly to expect. Probably too hypothetical a question.
Thanks for the reply. Yes I'm aware of the need for medical insurance and the problems of whether living on a boat would count as being resident. They were going to be some of my later questions. I have certainly managed in the past (2 years in the canals and 2 years sailing in the med) to use marina addresses for post, deliveries and even a wifi contract. I agree no one knows what will happen after Brexit. I was really wondering what the situation is now for an Eu passport owning Brit with a non Eu passport owning wife to give me some idea of what possibly to expect. Probably too hypothetical a question.
And as you say, your question is too hypothetical!
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Hi
There was a life before the EU.
Before the EU, brits could visit and even stay in France without a visa.
OK it wasn't seamless and a right as with EU citizenship but it still happened.
A few years ago, an American (non-EU citizen) I knew retired to France.
He even managed to get a carte vitale - oh and he could only manage a few words of French.
If you have an EU passport then you should be covered under EU rules for healthcare. Your wife should also be covered as the spouse of an EU citizen.
HTH
There was a life before the EU.
Before the EU, brits could visit and even stay in France without a visa.
OK it wasn't seamless and a right as with EU citizenship but it still happened.
A few years ago, an American (non-EU citizen) I knew retired to France.
He even managed to get a carte vitale - oh and he could only manage a few words of French.
If you have an EU passport then you should be covered under EU rules for healthcare. Your wife should also be covered as the spouse of an EU citizen.
HTH
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Hi
There was a life before the EU.
Before the EU, brits could visit and even stay in France without a visa.
OK it wasn't seamless and a right as with EU citizenship but it still happened.
A few years ago, an American (non-EU citizen) I knew retired to France.
He even managed to get a carte vitale - oh and he could only manage a few words of French.
If you have an EU passport then you should be covered under EU rules for healthcare. Your wife should also be covered as the spouse of an EU citizen.
HTH
There was a life before the EU.
Before the EU, brits could visit and even stay in France without a visa.
OK it wasn't seamless and a right as with EU citizenship but it still happened.
A few years ago, an American (non-EU citizen) I knew retired to France.
He even managed to get a carte vitale - oh and he could only manage a few words of French.
If you have an EU passport then you should be covered under EU rules for healthcare. Your wife should also be covered as the spouse of an EU citizen.
HTH
That said because OP is an EU citizen he will still enjoy freedom of movement and have all the rights that will come with the EU.
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And I know an American citizen who gave up on her idea of retiring in Spain because it was to expensive. In other words: before the EU only richer people could retire in Spain after the EU only richer Brits will be able to retire in the EU. Freedom of movement is a gift to normal people who have no special skills or a big bank account. Brexit will end that...it will hit the little ones not the elite who always got their visas and will continue to get their visas. Of course you could also try to qualify as a good since this a world that Brexiteers love: freedom of movement for goods but not people. So yes things will change. Best thing as a British is to look at immigration rules for Americans
That said because OP is an EU citizen he will still enjoy freedom of movement and have all the rights that will come with the EU.
That said because OP is an EU citizen he will still enjoy freedom of movement and have all the rights that will come with the EU.
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And I know an American citizen who gave up on her idea of retiring in Spain because it was to expensive. In other words: before the EU only richer people could retire in Spain after the EU only richer Brits will be able to retire in the EU. Freedom of movement is a gift to normal people who have no special skills or a big bank account. Brexit will end that...it will hit the little ones not the elite who always got their visas and will continue to get their visas. Of course you could also try to qualify as a good since this a world that Brexiteers love: freedom of movement for goods but not people. So yes things will change. Best thing as a British is to look at immigration rules for Americans
That said because OP is an EU citizen he will still enjoy freedom of movement and have all the rights that will come with the EU.
That said because OP is an EU citizen he will still enjoy freedom of movement and have all the rights that will come with the EU.
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I actually think there's a lot of truth in that. However I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. Before Brexit, it was quite a big deal for Brits to move to mainland Europe, they had to plan carefully and have good reasons for wanting to make the move. Brexit made it possible to move on a whim, for the cheap wine and the sunshine and the perception of cheap property. I'm not sure all the people who moved for those reasons have enjoyed life here as much as they thought they would, sometimes it gets a bit spoilt by all those funny foreign rules and people not speaking English.
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Hi and thanks for all the replies and advice,
Since we are coming to France anyway and have lived in France for 4 years already (albeit on a boat), the most relevant advice seems to me to be 'There was life before the EU'. I was just trying to see what forward planning I could do, but my question was too hypothetical to be of much use. We will come and it will work out somehow I have no doubt. I speak enough French to get by, my wife less so at the moment, but we are both looking forward to improving and are certainly not planning on living too deeply in an English speaking community. We live relatively cheaply and are happy with our finances. We'll sort out medical insurance (any advice on who to go with would be welcome) and see what life has to offer in our next adventure.
Since we are coming to France anyway and have lived in France for 4 years already (albeit on a boat), the most relevant advice seems to me to be 'There was life before the EU'. I was just trying to see what forward planning I could do, but my question was too hypothetical to be of much use. We will come and it will work out somehow I have no doubt. I speak enough French to get by, my wife less so at the moment, but we are both looking forward to improving and are certainly not planning on living too deeply in an English speaking community. We live relatively cheaply and are happy with our finances. We'll sort out medical insurance (any advice on who to go with would be welcome) and see what life has to offer in our next adventure.
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If you are now an Irish citizen then Brexit is irrelevant to you as you will continue to have freedom of movement rights throughout the EU so long as Ireland remains a member of the EU. Your wife, regardless of her passport, will also enjoy those rights as your spouse.
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I would suspect that different countries will apply different rules, I really can't imagine Spain making it more difficult for Brits to move there with the huge number of half built or empty houses and apartments on the coast, they will certainly need to keep them coming.
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If you are now an Irish citizen then Brexit is irrelevant to you as you will continue to have freedom of movement rights throughout the EU so long as Ireland remains a member of the EU. Your wife, regardless of her passport, will also enjoy those rights as your spouse.
All the other advice, commentary, and opinions in this thread are just noise.
I actually think there's a lot of truth in that. However I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. Before Brexit, it was quite a big deal for Brits to move to mainland Europe, they had to plan carefully and have good reasons for wanting to make the move. Brexit made it possible to move on a whim, for the cheap wine and the sunshine and the perception of cheap property. I'm not sure all the people who moved for those reasons have enjoyed life here as much as they thought they would, sometimes it gets a bit spoilt by all those funny foreign rules and people not speaking English.
Last edited by Pulaski; Oct 21st 2017 at 1:26 pm.
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Good post indeed. Always dangerous to only hear what you want to believe, but the second sentence is what I wanted to hear.
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Re: Right to live in France
Hi Everyone,
This is the first of a number of questions I hope I can get some advice on. My wife and I are British passport holders and I have been able to register my birth in Ireland so I will also have an EU passport. We plan to come and live in France early next year and will be retired with a smallish, but reasonable enough income from letting. My question is, assuming the very worst and UK crashes out of the EU next year, where does my wife stand as married to a non-French EU passport holder? Of course, none of us can guess what will happen about Brexit, but assuming nothing changes either for better or worse concerning non-EU citizens married to EU passport holders, can anyone suggest what we might expect?
Thanks
This is the first of a number of questions I hope I can get some advice on. My wife and I are British passport holders and I have been able to register my birth in Ireland so I will also have an EU passport. We plan to come and live in France early next year and will be retired with a smallish, but reasonable enough income from letting. My question is, assuming the very worst and UK crashes out of the EU next year, where does my wife stand as married to a non-French EU passport holder? Of course, none of us can guess what will happen about Brexit, but assuming nothing changes either for better or worse concerning non-EU citizens married to EU passport holders, can anyone suggest what we might expect?
Thanks
As far as health care is concerned, Brexit could potentially affect you. Right now, you would only have to take out private health insurance until your UK state pension kicks in, at which point you would become entitled to care on the same basis as French nationals. We cannot assume, however, that after the UK leaves the EU, being in receipt of a UK state pension will entitle you to medical treatment in EU states on the same basis as locals.
To be on the safe side, assume you’ll have to pay for private health insurance until you snuff it.