Climate change sceptics
Jan 11th 2011, 11:17 pm
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Geologists....
'Natural disaster' (for want of a beter term) history is easy enough to study if you know what to look for.
Hence the relevant scientists know about things like devasting yellowstone supervolcanic activity thas only blown a handful of times in the last 2.1 million years. No human have observed an eruption directly - but the evidence is irrefutable.
I'm sure the same is true of major flood events (which leave significant deposits) - they can be measured restrospectively without anyone having observed them.
Having said that, I agree with your sentiment one reason the world seems so utterly f*&ked up at the moment is we all get to hear about every 'newsworthy' event - and now in glorious HD technicolour to make things as dramatic as possible.
(Office operating perfectly normally and everyone present here at work today in Brisbane.... no need for hystrical over-reactions!)
'Natural disaster' (for want of a beter term) history is easy enough to study if you know what to look for.
Hence the relevant scientists know about things like devasting yellowstone supervolcanic activity thas only blown a handful of times in the last 2.1 million years. No human have observed an eruption directly - but the evidence is irrefutable.
I'm sure the same is true of major flood events (which leave significant deposits) - they can be measured restrospectively without anyone having observed them.
Having said that, I agree with your sentiment one reason the world seems so utterly f*&ked up at the moment is we all get to hear about every 'newsworthy' event - and now in glorious HD technicolour to make things as dramatic as possible.
(Office operating perfectly normally and everyone present here at work today in Brisbane.... no need for hystrical over-reactions!)
I agree though. The media does go over the top. Channel 9's coverage of the floods has been way over the top. I have found it sensationalist and, in some cases, insensitive/disrespectful to the people who have sadly lost their lives in QLD.
Jan 11th 2011, 11:37 pm
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Floods and drought have always been around , the greater population density magnify s the problem , but is the problem any worse ?
Jan 11th 2011, 11:37 pm
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Whether you believe in climate change or not the single biggest detrimental effect humanity is bringing on the planet is caused by population growth.
More people = more food = more energy = more industrialization = more concrete...and so on.
Control population = control demand = stability.
More people = more food = more energy = more industrialization = more concrete...and so on.
Control population = control demand = stability.
Jan 11th 2011, 11:43 pm
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So in your opinion the only factor that influences flooding and drought is population density? Interesting.
Jan 11th 2011, 11:50 pm
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Oh really? You had better inform all of the scientists studying the impacts of global warming and the increase of extreme weather that they are wasting their time. It's just my opinion after all.
So in your opinion the only factor that influences flooding and drought is population density? Interesting.
So in your opinion the only factor that influences flooding and drought is population density? Interesting.
the increase of extreme weather - I have yet to see any statistical evidence of this "fact "
The Australian BOM usually uses a 30 span to show changes , not a 10 year snip.
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Jan 11th 2011, 11:59 pm
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no , I don,t agree with your off the cuff remarks , what I do agree with is that climate is dynamic , read a small bit of what Benjamin Franklin c1750 had to say about the Gulf Stream and its effect on European climate and what would happen in the case of warming in the Arctic - it makes interesting conclusions, which could be said is what is happening now.
It was you that made disparaging comments comparing me to the Seventh-day Adventist church. I am prepared to forgive you though.Also, nobody is arguing that the climate isn't dynamic. The whole point of the debate revolves around human affectation on climate change.
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Jan 12th 2011, 12:02 am
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Google it. I respect your opinion to disagree with the evidence but you can't just say it doesn't exists as this is incorrect.
Jan 12th 2011, 12:03 am
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So we agree on something , all my comment is about is the use of the term "increasing frequency / intensity " - I will leave it at that , cheers.
Jan 12th 2011, 1:36 am
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Agreed, except I don't think it works the other way. You'll struggle to find any climate change believers who say that it is ONLY down to man. However there are plenty of sceptics out there who will tell you that man doesn't contribute to global warming one bit and it is a consequence that we have no control over.
Jan 12th 2011, 2:12 am
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Agreed, except I don't think it works the other way. You'll struggle to find any climate change believers who say that it is ONLY down to man. However there are plenty of sceptics out there who will tell you that man doesn't contribute to global warming one bit and it is a consequence that we have no control over.
Jan 12th 2011, 2:15 am
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Well before the Carbonites, Banjo Patterson had it summed up back in 1895
I love A Sunburnt Country
The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded Lanes,
Of ordered woods and gardens,
Is running in your veins;
Strong love of grey-blue distance,
Brown streams and soft, dim skies -
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.
I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of drought and flooding rains,
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel sea,
Her beauty and her terror -
The wide brown land for me.
The tragic ring-barked forests
Stark white beneath the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon.
Green tangle of the brushes
Where lithe lianas coil,
An orchids deck the tree-tops
And ferns the crimson soil.
Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When sick at heart around us
We see the cattle die -
But then the grey clouds gather
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady, soaking rain.
Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the Rainbow Gold,
For flood and fire and famine,
She pays us back threefold;
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.
An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land -
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand -
Though Earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown Country
My homing thoughts will fly.
Jan 12th 2011, 2:51 am
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Umm actually that would have been Dorothea McKellar would it not?
Jan 12th 2011, 3:39 am
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