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Old Oct 10th 2016, 8:08 pm   #1
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Hi All

Ok so this is a crazy situation to be in, but one that can work with your help! this is a story of a British guy and a Ukrainian girl falling for each other , now separated by passports! now we are trying to make plans to reunite we both really would appreciate your help.

Dale
- British (native English speaker) - 31 yrs old
- Native English
- Degree/ & Masters educated
- Profession - IT (highly experienced)
- Previously worked with children at summer camp in US & UK(at 20/21yrs old)

Kayta
- Ukrainian - 25 yrs old
- Native Russian & Ukrainian, also fluent English (not native, but practically as since 5yrs old), excellent German.
- Degree & Masters educated
- Profession - Childcare - recent experience as Au Pair in Germany.

What are we looking for?

* to be heading towards Far East / Asia (somewhere warm during Nov onwards this year)
* to be able to do a little travel together followed by some work or volunteering
* ideally it must be cost neutral or even make a little money to help toward travel
* we would be happy working in Childcare, Teaching, Wildlife/Animal Care, Environment/Conservation, Sports, Community Development...... really we are very open to experiences, if we have to choose, working with children (in any form) would be towards the top of the list.

Please please please help us. The whole world of VISA's! and work/volunteering programs can be a little baffling. To at least know which countries we could for sure both obtain short stay work/teach/volunteer visa's relatively easy would be a good start.

Thank you, Kayta & Dale

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Old Oct 13th 2016, 4:06 am   #2
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Just happen to be looking around BE and saw your post.

As you will know being from UK if you want to work with kids then these days you can't just walk into a job be it permanent or part time.

I'm thinking this might well be the case in a lot of other countries now.

You don't say excatly how long you are looking to be anywhere and I think you have left things too late to find any openings for next month.

If you just want to be together and find out how you get on maybe you could look at backpacking hostels and forget about work.

Not much help really, maybe others will answer with better info.
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You said Reunite so I presume you have already met in real life?

I mentined on another topic elsewhere that a friend does work,for
Touchalife.org
Take a look at,their website and see if it fits the bill? They do good,work.

Other than that, have you thought about working visas in Australia? You are probably young enough to,do,that. Ask in the Aus section of the forum. Though Aus is a bit expensive.

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Childcare in Australia needs people maybe she can sponsor you on a 457 Visa or you get a backpackers
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Childcare in Australia needs people maybe she can sponsor you on a 457 Visa or you get a backpackers
How on earth can a Ukrainian sponsor an IT worker for a 457 visa to work in Australia?
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How on earth can a Ukrainian sponsor an IT worker for a 457 visa to work in Australia?
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Edit: noticed the OP post is dated October with just the one post



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I won't name names, but there are a few new posters popping up across various forums at the moment who are reinvigorating old threads by posting incorrect rubbish.

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How on earth can a Ukrainian sponsor an IT worker for a 457 visa to work in Australia?
Simple. Childcare is in very short supply in Australia (Lived there for 5 years), especially metropolitan areas of Syndey and Melbourne. A lot of those looking after my son were from overseas (on 457's)

Sponsoring well qualified childcare workers (as indicated by the OP) is more than possible under a 457 visa (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...59ff519cf771d4). There are a strong Russian and Ukrainian speaking communities Australia that can also help. Whilst the sector isn't the best paying, it's paid a lot better than what I can see being possible in Asia and solve the OP's question.

Once on a 457 visa, trailing spouses can come too. Ukrainians don't have access to backpackers' visas to Australia and a Brit on a backpacker visa can't sponsor a trailing spouse. IT workers can also get a 457 visa too and can sponsor their trailing spouse but the shortage of IT workers is less pronounced and there is plenty of supply of willing qualified workers from India and other Asian countries at lower levels.

In contrast Singapore (2 years) and HK (5 years) many childcare facilities use dubious employment practices (cash under the table, no visa, as experienced by my then GF) and strongly prefer native English speakers (geoexpat.com has more advice there). Without a marriage certificate, you can't get a visa for your girlfriend if you have an employment pass in Hong Kong (cases are known of extended visit passes for same sex couples) if they can't get a visa in their own name. For Singapore my memory is a bit sketchy, but it's a similar requirement for a dependent's visa to be legally married. Google "de facto" + visa + country of choice and you will see the problem.

Working in Asia as an IT worker is a bit like taking coal to Newcastle (NSW or Geordie) unless you are at a very senior level, speak the local languages fluently (eg 2+ Chinese dialects or Japanese) on top of English or are being transferred internally by a major multinational company.

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Problem is it's not a trailing spouse situation, they're boyfriend and girlfriend; from the sounds of it, an online relationship or holiday romance. If they were married or in a de facto relationship the OP could simply sponsor his Ukrainian partner for a UK spouse visa.

A subclass 457 visa would work if the OP could get a subclass 417 Working Holiday visa but at 31 he's just too old. The age limit is likely to be raised to 35 in the near future however so it may soon be an option.
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Simple. Childcare is in very short supply in Australia (Lived there for 5 years), especially metropolitan areas of Syndey and Melbourne. A lot of those looking after my son were from overseas (on 457's)

Sponsoring well qualified childcare workers (as indicated by the OP) is more than possible under a 457 visa (Nanny shortage sparks offshore hunt). There are a strong Russian and Ukrainian speaking communities Australia that can also help. Whilst the sector isn't the best paying, it's paid a lot better than what I can see being possible in Asia and solve the OP's question.

Once on a 457 visa, trailing spouses can come too. Ukrainians don't have access to backpackers' visas to Australia and a Brit on a backpacker visa can't sponsor a trailing spouse. IT workers can also get a 457 visa too and can sponsor their trailing spouse but the shortage of IT workers is less pronounced and there is plenty of supply of willing qualified workers from India and other Asian countries at lower levels.

In contrast Singapore (2 years) and HK (5 years) many childcare facilities use dubious employment practices (cash under the table, no visa, as experienced by my then GF) and strongly prefer native English speakers (geoexpat.com has more advice there). Without a marriage certificate, you can't get a visa for your girlfriend if you have an employment pass in Hong Kong (cases are known of extended visit passes for same sex couples) if they can't get a visa in their own name. For Singapore my memory is a bit sketchy, but it's a similar requirement for a dependent's visa to be legally married. Google "de facto" + visa + country of choice and you will see the problem.

Working in Asia as an IT worker is a bit like taking coal to Newcastle (NSW or Geordie) unless you are at a very senior level, speak the local languages fluently (eg 2+ Chinese dialects or Japanese) on top of English or are being transferred internally by a major multinational company.
Right. But is the Ukrainian girlfriend an Austrian employer?
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Simple. Childcare is in very short supply in Australia (Lived there for 5 years), especially metropolitan areas of Syndey and Melbourne. A lot of those looking after my son were from overseas (on 457's)

Sponsoring well qualified childcare workers (as indicated by the OP) is more than possible under a 457 visa (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/par...59ff519cf771d4). There are a strong Russian and Ukrainian speaking communities Australia that can also help. Whilst the sector isn't the best paying, it's paid a lot better than what I can see being possible in Asia and solve the OP's question.

Once on a 457 visa, trailing spouses can come too. Ukrainians don't have access to backpackers' visas to Australia and a Brit on a backpacker visa can't sponsor a trailing spouse. IT workers can also get a 457 visa too and can sponsor their trailing spouse but the shortage of IT workers is less pronounced and there is plenty of supply of willing qualified workers from India and other Asian countries at lower levels.

In contrast Singapore (2 years) and HK (5 years) many childcare facilities use dubious employment practices (cash under the table, no visa, as experienced by my then GF) and strongly prefer native English speakers (geoexpat.com has more advice there). Without a marriage certificate, you can't get a visa for your girlfriend if you have an employment pass in Hong Kong (cases are known of extended visit passes for same sex couples) if they can't get a visa in their own name. For Singapore my memory is a bit sketchy, but it's a similar requirement for a dependent's visa to be legally married. Google "de facto" + visa + country of choice and you will see the problem.

Working in Asia as an IT worker is a bit like taking coal to Newcastle (NSW or Geordie) unless you are at a very senior level, speak the local languages fluently (eg 2+ Chinese dialects or Japanese) on top of English or are being transferred internally by a major multinational company.
DIBP does not use the term 'trailing spouse', thats the US. If a person gets a 457 and has a spouse ( not a boyfriend/girlfriend) then the spouse gets their own visa.
An IT worker on a 457 cannot sponsir their spouse. Only PR or citizens can sponsor a spouse.
Do you understand the requirements to sponsor someone on a 457? Its not as simple as you make it sound
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Yes - I was on a 457 Visa and you can bring in family members. "Trailing spouse" is a term I have heard used in many expat circumstances not just legalese.

Text from Border forces website is:-
What this visa lets you do
This visa allows you to:

work in Australia for up to four years
bring members of your family unit to work or study in Australia
travel in and out of Australia as ​often as you want.

I have assumed that the OP and girlfriend can qualify as a "de-facto" family unit. The Australian authorities are far more liberal than those in most of Asia and understand at times long distance relationships.

You may be getting confused with backpacker visas where you can't bring in family members or sponsoring a family member for permanent residency which is a very painful process. A 457 Visa is seen as temporary with lower hurdles in the application process. Obtaining my 457 visa took 10 days, my 186 4 months.

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Yes - I was on a 457 Visa and you can bring in family members. "Trailing spouse" is a term I have heard used in many expat circumstances not just legalese.

Text from Border forces website is:-
What this visa lets you do
This visa allows you to:

work in Australia for up to four years
bring members of your family unit to work or study in Australia
travel in and out of Australia as ​often as you want.

I have assumed that the OP and girlfriend can qualify as a "de-facto" family unit. The Australian authorities are far more liberal than those in most of Asia and understand at times long distance relationships.

You may be getting confused with backpacker visas where you can't bring in family members or sponsoring a family member for permanent residency which is a very painful process. A 457 Visa is seen as temporary with lower hurdles in the application process. Obtaining my 457 visa took 10 days, my 186 4 months.
You still have never answered how a Ukrainian is going to sponsor a British IT worker for a visa to work in childcare. Does she own a childcare centre in Australia?
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I have assumed that the OP and girlfriend can qualify as a "de-facto" family unit. The Australian authorities are far more liberal than those in most of Asia and understand at times long distance relationships.
Not sure why you assumed that from what has been written.
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