Acquired Residency Rights Post Brexit
#17
Re: Acquired Residency Rights Post Brexit
In my view, British that want to move after Brexit to Spain or any other European country need to check the requirements for people from third countries. As I said my American friend abondoned her plans to retire in Spain because she can't afford it. But as the UK is going global, maybe retirement in India or Nigeria will be an option.
#18
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Well, I don't understand why you would think Pensioners- who do not pay taxes- are so valuable to be honest with you. If I am to be frank I think that portrays a certain level of arrogance. If I was the Spanish government I would look at the cost benefit analysis of having OAP- the contributions vs the cost of their upkeep. In my opinion it probably costs the government more particularly when you consider health (an area the Spanish government has long claimed the British reimbursements are not enough) etc vs contributions to the local economy.
In any case, that simply disregards that Spain is a global destination that can attract investment from other wealthy individuals across the globe. So I am not convinced.
As for you feeling secure well glad to hear- only time will tell if that security is based on solid foundations or ill informed.
In any case, that simply disregards that Spain is a global destination that can attract investment from other wealthy individuals across the globe. So I am not convinced.
As for you feeling secure well glad to hear- only time will tell if that security is based on solid foundations or ill informed.
#19
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Re: Acquired Residency Rights Post Brexit
Just think of all the Spanish people who are employed directly or indirectly in areas where British expats live. The Spanish Govt would be very aware of this.
#20
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Just simple economics- half a million pensioners spending X amount in Spain gives jobs and through the multiplier effect a definite plus to the Spanish economy- and one cant replace 500,000 people overnight. I agree, the Spanish government should look at the costs vs benefits post-Brexit but I am fairly sure the amount spent by those pensioners exceeds whatever support costs Spain pays. There is a reason many countries actively seek to attract pensioners.
#21
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Just simple economics- half a million pensioners spending X amount in Spain gives jobs and through the multiplier effect a definite plus to the Spanish economy- and one cant replace 500,000 people overnight. I agree, the Spanish government should look at the costs vs benefits post-Brexit but I am fairly sure the amount spent by those pensioners exceeds whatever support costs Spain pays.
However, given that the average UK pension is £18,000 and that many of those moving abroad do so, amongst other things, for a cheaper cost of living, there's always a chance that many of them might not actually represent a nett gain to the Spanish economy.
Take away the reciprocal charging on healthcare, pass the costs of that to the Spanish government and then consider whether an average or lower than average UK pension is always a benefit to the Spanish economy.
Under the current arrangements within the EU, I'd say it's sensible for southern EU states to take the broad view that overall, retirees from the north bring some benefits. However, given how picky some statisticians can be about every individual migrant to the UK and whether they are likely to be an economic benefit to society over an entire lifetime, a similar approach from the Spanish or other governments when it comes to UK pensioners, if they are able to in future because of Brexit, could see them applying a filter on the grounds of income rather than accepting all as they must at the moment. After all, they probably don't welcome non EU retirees with under a set income or assets level and without health insurance.
#22
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Re: Acquired Residency Rights Post Brexit
As long as you're "fairly sure", that should be enough to reassure any government worth its salt without going to the bother of any further analysis
However, given that the average UK pension is £18,000 and that many of those moving abroad do so, amongst other things, for a cheaper cost of living, there's always a chance that many of them might not actually represent a nett gain to the Spanish economy.
Take away the reciprocal charging on healthcare, pass the costs of that to the Spanish government and then consider whether an average or lower than average UK pension is always a benefit to the Spanish economy.
Under the current arrangements within the EU, I'd say it's sensible for southern EU states to take the broad view that overall, retirees from the north bring some benefits. However, given how picky some statisticians can be about every individual migrant to the UK and whether they are likely to be an economic benefit to society over an entire lifetime, a similar approach from the Spanish or other governments when it comes to UK pensioners, if they are able to in future because of Brexit, could see them applying a filter on the grounds of income rather than accepting all as they must at the moment. After all, they probably don't welcome non EU retirees with under a set income or assets level and without health insurance.
However, given that the average UK pension is £18,000 and that many of those moving abroad do so, amongst other things, for a cheaper cost of living, there's always a chance that many of them might not actually represent a nett gain to the Spanish economy.
Take away the reciprocal charging on healthcare, pass the costs of that to the Spanish government and then consider whether an average or lower than average UK pension is always a benefit to the Spanish economy.
Under the current arrangements within the EU, I'd say it's sensible for southern EU states to take the broad view that overall, retirees from the north bring some benefits. However, given how picky some statisticians can be about every individual migrant to the UK and whether they are likely to be an economic benefit to society over an entire lifetime, a similar approach from the Spanish or other governments when it comes to UK pensioners, if they are able to in future because of Brexit, could see them applying a filter on the grounds of income rather than accepting all as they must at the moment. After all, they probably don't welcome non EU retirees with under a set income or assets level and without health insurance.
#23
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As long as you're "fairly sure", that should be enough to reassure any government worth its salt without going to the bother of any further analysis
However, given that the average UK pension is £18,000 and that many of those moving abroad do so, amongst other things, for a cheaper cost of living, there's always a chance that many of them might not actually represent a nett gain to the Spanish economy.
Take away the reciprocal charging on healthcare, pass the costs of that to the Spanish government and then consider whether an average or lower than average UK pension is always a benefit to the Spanish economy.
Under the current arrangements within the EU, I'd say it's sensible for southern EU states to take the broad view that overall, retirees from the north bring some benefits. However, given how picky some statisticians can be about every individual migrant to the UK and whether they are likely to be an economic benefit to society over an entire lifetime, a similar approach from the Spanish or other governments when it comes to UK pensioners, if they are able to in future because of Brexit, could see them applying a filter on the grounds of income rather than accepting all as they must at the moment. After all, they probably don't welcome non EU retirees with under a set income or assets level and without health insurance.
However, given that the average UK pension is £18,000 and that many of those moving abroad do so, amongst other things, for a cheaper cost of living, there's always a chance that many of them might not actually represent a nett gain to the Spanish economy.
Take away the reciprocal charging on healthcare, pass the costs of that to the Spanish government and then consider whether an average or lower than average UK pension is always a benefit to the Spanish economy.
Under the current arrangements within the EU, I'd say it's sensible for southern EU states to take the broad view that overall, retirees from the north bring some benefits. However, given how picky some statisticians can be about every individual migrant to the UK and whether they are likely to be an economic benefit to society over an entire lifetime, a similar approach from the Spanish or other governments when it comes to UK pensioners, if they are able to in future because of Brexit, could see them applying a filter on the grounds of income rather than accepting all as they must at the moment. After all, they probably don't welcome non EU retirees with under a set income or assets level and without health insurance.
#24
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For EU citizens, it can't be any more than the national minimum wage.
#25
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If the freedom of movement will go British senior will only be able to retire if they have enough money and private health care. No European will pay a penny for a British citizens who wants to retire on EU soil. Period.
Last edited by Rosemary; Jul 9th 2017 at 7:40 am. Reason: no thank you
#26
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Re: Acquired Residency Rights Post Brexit
However it can't hurt to prepare for the worst. I am finally selling up my house in the UK as now having cash reserves is more valuable than having the asset as if I do have to come back I will need to go wherever there might actually be a job (when I left it was pretty pathetic to be honest, unless you liked door to door sales). Also if I'd like to not be separated from my family I will need the hard cash for the Home Office. If I get to stay great I will invest in the business and build it up. If I have to go well, who knows. It's very stressful and frankly starting to affect my life and motivation levels.
Fortunately I don't have to worry about the NHS as I pay the local taxes and National Insurance.
It is a quandry as who knows how my country of residence will decide to act in the end. Fortunately I have connections here but am self employed and this is only year one so the income is rather low at the moment...........
I doubt people will get actively deported but I am sure May (if she survives that long) will make it harder and harder to exist in the UK until people are defacto forced to leave. It's what the Tories want.
Fortunately I don't have to worry about the NHS as I pay the local taxes and National Insurance.
It is a quandry as who knows how my country of residence will decide to act in the end. Fortunately I have connections here but am self employed and this is only year one so the income is rather low at the moment...........
I doubt people will get actively deported but I am sure May (if she survives that long) will make it harder and harder to exist in the UK until people are defacto forced to leave. It's what the Tories want.
#27
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Re: Acquired Residency Rights Post Brexit
I didn't think paying taxes or having an NI number is required to qualify for NHS coverage as a resident British citizen.
Last edited by Richard8655; Jul 13th 2017 at 12:06 am.
#28
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The two are completely unrelated. Access to free NHS secondary care is residency based. You can pay NI contributions from abroad as a non-UK resident but still be ineligible.
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Thanks much. Never had an NI number nor paid local taxes having always lived abroad (outside UK). Assuming primary care access is also residency based.
#30
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Primary care is free of charge regardless of your status. Hence tourists can be patched up at A&E after an accident without incurring a large bill but any time spent in a hospital bed will need to covered by an EHIC card, travel insurance or out of their own pocket.