My experience of going the Surinder Singh route so far

Old Oct 15th 2017, 2:33 pm
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Hi we have one more thing to ask do we need to translate all the docoments ? please reply me if anyone can help us. thanks
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Hi we have one more thing to ask do we need to translate all the docoments ? please reply me if anyone can help us. thanks
Yes, all documents not in English or Welsh must be officially translated.
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Old Oct 15th 2017, 9:06 pm
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Hi my question is we goin to apply our fp from Italy next month. we r self employees since March 2017. we are vat registered. there's something called imps government tax in Italy & u can pay end of the year which is approximately €3600 a year.as paid VAT is enough along with our bank statements & work invoices, my next question is all our certificates has to be ligally translated with stamps or just a normal translation is ok to provide. my last question is does any body knows any solicitor in italy who is aware of s.s.route as we cant find here any. please do reply if anyone have knowledge .thanks
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Hi my question is we goin to apply our fp from Italy next month. we r self employees since March 2017. we are vat registered. there's something called imps government tax in Italy & u can pay end of the year which is approximately €3600 a year.as paid VAT is enough along with our bank statements & work invoices, my next question is all our certificates has to be ligally translated with stamps or just a normal translation is ok to provide. my last question is does any body knows any solicitor in italy who is aware of s.s.route as we cant find here any. please do reply if anyone have knowledge .thanks
You have to get your translations from an authorised translator as they have to verify the translation with their company stamp.
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thank you so much for reply.
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[QUOTE=AngelaV;10826225]Thanks guys!
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I am British living in the UK but with a Botswana wife. She has previously worked in Dublin on a students visa
for 6 years but for the past year is back in Botswana. She would like to continue working in Ireland while i try the SS route to get her a spouses visa/work permit in the UK. I am 65 and have a UK state person but would happily work in Tesco etc to get her the visa.
Any links you have to forums would be greatly appreciated.
And congratulations by the way
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Originally Posted by AngelaV
Thanks guys!
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I am British living in the UK but with a Botswana wife. She has previously worked in Dublin on a students visa
for 6 years but for the past year is back in Botswana. She would like to continue working in Ireland while i try the SS route to get her a spouses visa/work permit in the UK. I am 65 and have a UK state person but would happily work in Tesco etc to get her the visa.
Any links you have to forums would be greatly appreciated.
And congratulations by the way
Here are a couple of Facebook groups

EEA Visa - EU Free Movement

Surinder Singh Ireland
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Old Oct 19th 2017, 4:20 pm
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[QUOTE=DaveLovesDee;12363786]
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Here are a couple of Facebook groups
Hi Dave,

You are very knowledgeable, me and my husband have used your advice in this thread to successfully move to Ireland together. We intended to live and permanently stay in Ireland. I am a British Citizen and my husband is a US citizen.

However, we are now in a bit of a conundrum. My younger siblings are in care proceedings, we have been asked by the court if we can be their legal guardians and take custody of them. this requires us moving from Ireland to England. We have a solicitor representing us and handling this matter, but they are only a specialist in Child law.

The court has ordered that me and my husband need to go to London for 2 weeks for assessment by the court and local authority. This is all in writing. The issue is, I don't know if my husband will be granted entry to UK.

He has his temporary stamp 4 EUFAM and his EU1 is being processed with a decision due to be made next year.
We have been in Ireland for 5 months, and I have been exercising my treaty rights in Ireland since that time.

Prior to moving to Ireland, my husband came to visit me from the US and stayed in London for 5 months on holiday. We travelled to another EU country together and returned to London, the border worker gave him a lot of hassle and stamped his passport with his US return flight date.

We left London to Ireland before his US return flight and set the ball rolling for us to stay permanently in Ireland. We had no desire to return to England especially as I did not meet the financial requirements for a spouse visa.

However, now things have changed. Will these issues potentially affect my husbands entrance with me into London? We will have the court order, letters from the local authority confirming everything and our solicitors details on hand, plus marriage certificates and my proof of self-employment in Ireland.

Long-term, if we are to receive guardianship and custody of my siblings who are British citizens, will we be able to apply for a family permit with my husband's temporary stamp 4 EUFAM, even though we have only been in Ireland for 5 months soon to be 6 months. By the time we are required to go to London for assessment it will be 6 months+.

Wondering what your thoughts are on this?

Thanks in advance.
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Hi Dave,

You are very knowledgeable, me and my husband have used your advice in this thread to successfully move to Ireland together. We intended to live and permanently stay in Ireland. I am a British Citizen and my husband is a US citizen.

However, we are now in a bit of a conundrum. My younger siblings are in care proceedings, we have been asked by the court if we can be their legal guardians and take custody of them. this requires us moving from Ireland to England. We have a solicitor representing us and handling this matter, but they are only a specialist in Child law.

The court has ordered that me and my husband need to go to London for 2 weeks for assessment by the court and local authority. This is all in writing. The issue is, I don't know if my husband will be granted entry to UK.

He has his temporary stamp 4 EUFAM and his EU1 is being processed with a decision due to be made next year.
We have been in Ireland for 5 months, and I have been exercising my treaty rights in Ireland since that time.

Prior to moving to Ireland, my husband came to visit me from the US and stayed in London for 5 months on holiday. We travelled to another EU country together and returned to London, the border worker gave him a lot of hassle and stamped his passport with his US return flight date.

We left London to Ireland before his US return flight and set the ball rolling for us to stay permanently in Ireland. We had no desire to return to England especially as I did not meet the financial requirements for a spouse visa.

However, now things have changed. Will these issues potentially affect my husbands entrance with me into London? We will have the court order, letters from the local authority confirming everything and our solicitors details on hand, plus marriage certificates and my proof of self-employment in Ireland.

Long-term, if we are to receive guardianship and custody of my siblings who are British citizens, will we be able to apply for a family permit with my husband's temporary stamp 4 EUFAM, even though we have only been in Ireland for 5 months soon to be 6 months. By the time we are required to go to London for assessment it will be 6 months+.

Wondering what your thoughts are on this?

Thanks in advance.
Let me have a think about this.
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Let me have a think about this.
Thank you. I've tried to speak to immigration lawyers, a lot of them are for a loss of words... and aren't sure what could potentially happen. As you've said previously in this thread some people know more than their lawyers and have accomplished far more free of charge without a lawyer. I cannot find any case law that is similar to my situation.

I'm hoping the court order will be enough to convince the border patrol to permit my husband entry for the 2 weeks of assessment.

Beyond that, it looks like we will be granted guradianship long-term as there are no other family members in England to take them in....
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A two week visit to London won't be a problem as the Common Travel Area means there are no passport controls between the UK and the RoI. A permanent move via SS will be more difficult. Are there any legal barriers to prevent you from taking your siblings to Ireland once the guardianship is approved?
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A two week visit to London won't be a problem as the Common Travel Area means there are no passport controls between the UK and the RoI. A permanent move via SS will be more difficult. Are there any legal barriers to prevent you from taking your siblings to Ireland once the guardianship is approved?
Hi there,

Thank you for also replying. Your advice in this thread has been very helpful too. Yes, I cannot move them to Ireland unfortunately. The children are teens and are against moving schools and leaving friends behind. Plus our mother is against it. She is permitted supervised visitation weekly with the local authority present.

Local authority believe moving them will lead to more emotional and behavioural problems, which is very true. The court has said us receiving guardianship would be on the basis of the children remaining in London permanently too.

So it's very convoluted situation. Part of me wonders if the court order would have any positive effect on a family permit application?

I've been trying to seek legal advice but a lot of solicitors aren't sure. I know that waiting till my husband's Irish residence card and staying longer in Ireland would be the best option. But the court is admant on us being assessed for guardianship and if it's a positive result immediately taking full custody of the kids.
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Hello,

I have been looking into going forward with the SS route and after reading a posts on Facebook and in the forum Malta seems to be easier route. But I want to confirm whether it is possible to get residence cards for my wife and I to Malta if we have combined savings of 25,000 Euro, even before we have travelled to Malta.


This is the Financial Qualification on Malta Group but the post is dated in 2015

Applicants must produce documentary evidence of their self - sufficiency which would allow a high standard of living.The whole amount declared is not required to be brought into the country
For self sufficiency, its satisfy either capital or income requirement - you must have health cover under either, not necessarily insurance - the amounts are capital of at least €14,000 or a weekly income of €84.95 or, in the case of a married couple, a capital of €23,300 or a weekly income of €93.10

Or do I need to live there for 3 months before we can qualify for residence cards?

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Originally Posted by teekeemedina
Hi there,

Thank you for also replying. Your advice in this thread has been very helpful too. Yes, I cannot move them to Ireland unfortunately. The children are teens and are against moving schools and leaving friends behind. Plus our mother is against it. She is permitted supervised visitation weekly with the local authority present.

Local authority believe moving them will lead to more emotional and behavioural problems, which is very true. The court has said us receiving guardianship would be on the basis of the children remaining in London permanently too.

So it's very convoluted situation. Part of me wonders if the court order would have any positive effect on a family permit application?

I've been trying to seek legal advice but a lot of solicitors aren't sure. I know that waiting till my husband's Irish residence card and staying longer in Ireland would be the best option. But the court is admant on us being assessed for guardianship and if it's a positive result immediately taking full custody of the kids.
And you have been working in Ireland for nearly six months? Are you earning enough to meet the financial requirements for a spouse visa?
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And you have been working in Ireland for nearly six months? Are you earning enough to meet the financial requirements for a spouse visa?
I have been self-employed for the 5 months we have been here and no my business does not have net profits of £18,600. I would not qualify for the Spouse visa even if I did have that amount of profit as they want to see 12 months of bank statements and invoices.

If I was earning enough I would have done the spouse visa route immediately. We do not have savings either. The spouse visa is completely out of the question for us unfortunately. Prior to moving to Ireland I was working full-time and earning £18,500 gross... lots of bad luck with this route.

That's why I'm wondering if our court order and documents from the local authority would have a positive impact on a family permit application?
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