Gozit

Wrong wrong wrong.

All European Union citizens can come and live in the UK under the freedom of movement they are afforded under the EU treaties.

You can visit an EEA country for as long as you want as a fellow EEA citizen.

If someone is eligible for an EU passport and uses it to live in the UK under freedom of movement, that is allowed. I don't even understand what you're on about as we aren't talking about visiting, we're talking about residing.

Why do you consistently insist on providing false and misleading information to others on here?

not2old

sorted....

https://www.gov.uk/eea-registration-certificate

https://www.gov.uk/working-abroad

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It's 90 days or 3 months, but I managed to mingle the two.


For someone who is so keen to get an EU passport to get to the UK when you are 18, why aren't you keeping up to date with your researching? Can you ask your school teachers give you some internet seach guidance? It took me seconds to search and find this below.

All EEA nationals and their family members have the right to reside in any other member state for a period of three months.

To have a right to reside after three months, you must:
• Be a 'qualified person', or
• Have the right of permanent residence, or
• Have a derivative right to reside.
Habitual Residence Test (HRT) - Turn2us

It’s not just the UK

Under the new law, those coming to Germany to look for work will have six months to find a job, or at least prove they have a reasonable prospect of securing work, or they must leave the country.
Angela Merkel announces plans to deport EU welfare cheats - Telegraph

Limiting the right of residence to seek employment to six months in accordance with EU law, unless the job seeker in question can provide evidence for his or her prospects of success.
Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany London - EU migrants

If an EEA citizen just want to just live in UK "for as long as they want" and they exceed the 3 months, then they will need to enter with enough savings/income to be a "qualified person" under the Self Sufficient route. But they and any dependants they brought with them, will need to have CSI (comprehensive health insurance) to cover all their existing conditions too and they are not allowed any welfare either (in the UK that also means no benefits for their children)......because the EEA citizen is self sufficient in another EU country and must not be a burden to that country.

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There you go Gozit, not2old searched and found something too.

You must be working, studying or able to support yourself independently to apply.

"support yourself independently" = self sufficient.

All three of the above are "qualified persons".

Those who just study or who are self sufficient, are not allowed to be a burden another EEA country ie they must have health insurance and cannot have welfare.

BritInParis

Correct. This would be the best option if the OP's husband is young enough and they do not have children.

An EHIC card from your home EEA member state will suffice for purposes of "comprehensive sickness insurance".

not2old

For Gozit (Maltese passport in hand), should he arrive in the UK directly from Canada he wouldn't have an EHIC card, therefore would have to purchase private health insurance unless he went through Malta first to get the EHIC card, but would need to establish himself first in Malta.

Then follow the rules stated in the link above,

Once in the UK, in order for Gozit to access any form of right, settlement or benefit, he would need to show one of the three: self sufficiency, employed or self-employed. The student category further in this post

Once established as an 'ordinarily resident' (just like in Malta Gozit) gets himself a National Insurance number (SIN # in Canada) card, register with a GP & depending on how it all pans out several other benefits such as HB which at present doesn't need HRT

According to the 'Daily Fail' newspapers, the way the Eastern Europeans get around qualifying is that they immediately register as 'self employed' as stated in the link above (no different than what some folks going the SS route do in Ireland or Malta) its a back door way in to show settlement/residency. This way as a self employed under EU rules folks can start to qualify for several benefits, register with a GP etc as having met the Habitual Residency Test (HRT).

Back to the Eastern Europeans who 'self employ' as the 'back door to benefits'. They can be found doing all sorts of stuff.... selling wares in the market stalls, selling the 'The Big Issue' on street corners, house keepers, nannies or odd jobbers. They dont need to work for an emplyer, yet if they do, make sure its always less than 15 hrs/wk so they can get ESA top up As long as a person registers 'self employed' the criteria has been met for EU citizens rights under freedom of movement to live, work, play & collect [top up/welfare] benefits in the UK.

Just on the benefits scam which is being abused by Europeans going into the UK (hopefully that door will close) once in, settled, registered, registration card in hand, NHS & NI #, these folks can claim ESA, HB, as well as the child benefit for family back home in Eastern Europe.

Now isn't that a right 'how to do'

Welcome to Britain

Gozit, should you want to go to the UK, my suggestion is do it through Malta first. Stay a few months, enjoy life with your grandparents, get yourself sorted with all the necessary paperwork , residents registration card, health card (EHIC) then off to Scotland for free university, full health coverage etc etc

From what I've read & please correct this if its wrong - EU citizens unlike returning Brits do not have to meet the three year residency period to qualify for H.E student fee relief

http://www.gla.ac.uk/scholarships/feestatus/

http://www.ed.ac.uk/studying/undergr...ean-union/cost

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The UK is quite happy for the EEA citizen to use another countries in date EHIC for the CSI as they don't care who pays, just so long as it isnt the UK.

The problem might be with all the changes to stop NHS abuse, whether another EEA country is still willing to let their EHIC be used by someone who resides in the UK, because EHICs are for visiting another EU country. The UK don't allow their EHIC to be used by holders residing in other EEA countries, nor will the UK cover all bills for those visiting another EEA country.

Many EEAs have even said they could avoid using their CSI (Comprehensive Sickenss Insurance) that they needed to prove they were a "qualifed person" as the Brits couldn't check who abused their NHS. Now the UK in 2013 and 2104, introduced new laws; systems; linked systems; to stop their NHS abuse from 2015. And the UK government now have new laws to easily bill other EEA countries for their EHIC use in the UK, whereas before EEA countries were rarely billed by the UK.


The Good Character requirement that people need to pass if they want UK citizenship, changed in December 2014 to include (amoung other things) using the NHS when not allowed. That might cause a problem for some EEAs and their dependants because the UK has been able to check if they are in work (and allowed to use the NHS for free) since 2013.

The good news for the British in addition to the above, is that the goverment intend to bill them 125% of the NHS treatment costs and all the money will go back into the NHS.

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Don't believe all you read in the Fail as although it was true, much of that abuse has been stopped in the UK in the last couple of years. Reforms are being prepared, backed by Germany, to stop the free movement abuse i.e. only paying child benefits at the same rate they get in their own country, deporting and banning benefit fraudsters.

HRT in the UK now requires residency for 3 months for some benefits and 2 years for others and they have to be earning £153 per week for UK benefits. That will apply for the self employed too from April 2015. That £153 per week looks like it will increase to £227.50 per week to pass the HRT to get UK benefits soon. Benefits are now limited to 6 months for EEA "jobseeker's qualified person". Plans too perhaps to make residency requirement "years" to bring it in line with other immigrants to the UK.

No other "qualified persons" can have UK benefits or free NHS, even if they have a non-EU as a dependant who is working and paying taxes in the UK.

Already ended is all benefits and free NHS to those we were giving benefits to, because they are not a "quaified person" or didn't meet the HRT earnings for benefits ie unemployed single EEA parents with children; those parents who use EEA law to get to the UK as they have a UK or EEA child.

The end of any tax allowance for seasonal EEA workers too coming soon it seems, so no more entering the UK for a few months to work and not having to pay any UK tax.

Even the annual welfare cap will see things like a limit to how many children the UK will give benefits too and that is in addition to other welfare changes ie parents having to pay society back if they don't do enough to keep their own children. A change of goverment won't alter this as both major parties agree with these changes. Benefits really isn't going to be an easy ride for EEAs in the UK anymore, or for Brits for that matter.

Some EEas have even written to the Cameron because there is disbelief that the UK has stopped being the only country to give benefits as soon as they arrive. Apparanty they wrote that they can't find work now they have moved to the UK and are destitute in the UK as councils have refused to house them. Cameron made it clear to them that if they are desitute in the UK, then they must go back to their own EEA countries. It will get worse with all the law changes under the Immigration Act set to come in this year as the UK stops being a soft touch.

Many EEA fails to get PR in the UK as they didn't comply with EEA rules to the letter and the UK is very tough on that. Plus they too have to pass the UKs new Good Citizen requirements for UK citizenship.

It really isn't as bad as the fail makes it out.

I don't know what the rules for EEAs for free Scottish university is, but in the rest of the UK I thought that they have to live in the EEA for the 3 years before university in the UK and Ireland? I'm happy to be corrected. Although I believe Gozit said he had changed his mind about university as he didn't realise that a Computing degree had maths?

Gozit

Yes I have looked into that before and if I worked in Malta for a year (gap year) then that would make me EU/EEA ordinary resident, and I would be able to have my fees paid by the scottish gov't. That way i would also have my Maltese ID and EHIC done as well, as well as a Maltese tax return to back everything up.

Yeah it seems you're correct there.

Where have you been?

Information Technology has nothing to do with maths. The computer science degrees do but those degrees are for people who want to go into actual coding / raw programming of computers [which is not me]. I want to go into network systems management / I.T. management.

not2old

Gozit, your response to Formula post#38 is unwarranted, please cool it & be respectful. If you've nothing nice to say, then do not post it.

Folks are merely trying to help

Now back to whatever it was you were doing

BEVS

I'd go along with that.





So , as per the OPs post.

Given the bones of the query & sticking to what we were told by the OP, did Quiltman make a good summary of the situation. There is no indication that the OP OH is anything other than Australian.

not2old

Back on track & how threads drift off topic at times Bev

post #6, 15, 19 & 28 pretty much covers the OP question I believe

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I obtained a degree in IT and Computing 3 years ago and the IT courses had more maths than the computing courses. In the 2nd year, many dropped off the course as they didn't realise IT courses had maths. Check carefully before you sign up.

BEVS

Thank you.

Thread closed then I think .