GagainPEI

Hysterical for the most part, yes. Ignore them. And good luck.

Vexcore

political debate? i hope not...

Im well aware of the policy im just making a statement.... not an idea, have you see his videos? don't you think he is interesting? like i said 'AGREE OR DISAGREE' ? you never told me,

ok tell me this

What you make of foreigners claiming and bleeding our system which was 'DESIGNED' for British citizens not outsiders? - Don't get me wrong or make judgments i like EU but don't want to be a part of it.... im sure many will agree as i said... but just take a look at Nigel farage he is pure gold a real rarity the man just speaks the truth... he has the balls to tell the E.U.union what British people think of them unlike spineless David twattington cameron.

Nigel Farrage is definitely up for the job & I for one will be supporting him & I hope he's going to do something about the fascist racist criminal state

Don't blame me for defending my country it doesn't make me silly at all.

rebeccajo

I've seen Mr. Farage on newsreels. I find it most interesting to watch politicians when they are being questioned vs. prepared video. I don't find him to be "pure gold" at all. He is a populist and likes to prey on fear. I liken him to Sarah Palin and the Tea Party scare-mongers. Really, I do. I see what that particular group of politicians has done to my country (the US). I would prefer this not happen in the UK.

I feel as if I need to explain why I challenge you (and others) on this issue. It is not my intention to be rude or aggressive and for that I apologize. I guess that due to being old enough to remember the civil rights movement in the US, I'm touchy when it comes to matters of targeting groups of people. I live below the Mason-Dixon line in the US and am surrounded by modern day racists, including my own Father. And I'm married to an immigrant to the US - and while he is lily white we have still felt the sting of intrusion into our life when business or state agencies intrude beyond the scope of the law into my husband's legal presence in my country.

I believe Mr. Farage and his like promote closet racism. They split and divide, rather than promote social cohesion. But while he is the apex example of "them vs. us", he is not alone in the political sphere. Whitehall and Westminster aren't exactly doing their job either. They choose to blame immigration for the UK's economic woes.

Because I live here in the US with an immigrant husband, and because the US has systems in place that check a person for their legal status, I am100%convinced that the current legislation passing through Parliament regarding landlords and NHS usage cannot work. How can it without an identity system for every person in the country? Are people going to be asked about their status based upon their color or the sound of their voice? Is that right?

These are things I think about when it comes to immigration. Whichever way a person is moving.

Vexcore

No way i'm going to start a debate with you i was just making a statement this isn't a political forum now.... you attacked me and (others who wish to defend there country?) this is how it looked..

But i get your point my wife is Chinese... we're all in the same boat here i just want whats best for the UK best for the British people i hate foreigners who don't work don't accept our British ways messy and mostly criminals... who come here to mess our system bleed us dry get benefits and just don't do anything for the country... UK needs to wake up David Cameron needs out and Nigel needs some type of voice to defend us

Lets put it this way


I, like the EU but what i don't like is... OUR COUNTRY paying child benefit to people who dont live in the UK, or they come here (pretend to work) claim all the social benefits and bring there kids along for the ride... example Slovakia woman in UK 7 kids lovely house NEVER PAID into the system? we don't need people like this on our land.

its just that simple you don't contribute to our society then get out or be deported by force (that's what we need) and i am SURE A LOT OF people here will agree) not all foreigners are bad but most of them are from low poverty area's who come here for a laugh/ride and fleece our system which was designed for us not outsiders.

Relax, i see your point though.

Just can you see my point? im sure you agree with some of it....


Thanks

rebeccajo

Vexcore, where I would agree with you is abuse of the benefit system. However, I believe that is exaggerated in the media. And I believe any parts of it that are legitimate should be handled through changes in the benefit system and not by broad-brushing groups of immigrants.

Criminality? That's a different matter and again should be handled through law - not by targeting immigrants. Did you by any chance watch the Parliamentary "debate" the night Theresa May put her family rules through Parliament? And have you read the Statement of Intent for those rules? I'm not asking either of those questions as a presumptive challenge. I'm asking because the Statement of Intent, and the subsequent debate that night, were tied together with Article 8 as it relates to criminality. Much of the Statement of Intent addresses criminals and any legal abuse which has occurred due to EU family rights. And May targeted her talking points (in Parliament the night she introduced her rules) around that same abuse. Effectively the MP's were "had" and only the staunchest believers of human rights for all could vote "nay" without putting their political necks on the line. By tying together immigrant criminality in with familial relationships, May was able to shove her rules through on secondary legislation.

I respect your right to defend your country and government. In doing that, I would urge you to think deeply about what your government does. That is what I try to do here in the US and what I would wish for every citizen of every free country who has even the smallest voice in their democracy.

not2old

Scotland separates & joins the EU with the UK leaving the EU.... now that would be so funny & unlikely on both counts IMO.

Are folks still being reassured that Scotland will separate - last poll trend says they will stay with Alex the man a gonna before the vote or shortly thereafter the 'NO'

Scot, will you be voting a YES?

scot47

City of London and its bankers are all for leaving the EU. Why ? Because Brussels wants to introduce control of how much money they can rob from the rest of us !

holly_1948

I wonder what will then happen to Northern Ireland?
Will the SDLP take control and Irish reunification becomes a reality?

Cape Blue

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/childbenefit/...ivals-uk.htm#1

The Slovakian you keep mentioning is an example (not that it readily jumps out from the web), but you seem to extrapolate this example to be indicative of the group as a whole ("most of them"). There are examples of Chinese nationals who have been criminals in the UK, should we extrapolate that to "most of them are criminals" and say your wife shouldn't be allowed in?

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/englan...rom_abroad.htm

Lots of Daily Fail articles use inference and other techniques to make it look like the situation is a crisis and most johnny foreigners want to rape our white women <insert scare of the week here>. In reality most EU immigrants will be like most UK citizens except they had the get-up-and-go to try and live in a foreign country,

Vexcore

@Cape Blue

Doesn't matter what you find on the officials sites, The fact of the matter is.... there are PEOPLE claiming and they don't live in the UK the system is a farce and the sooner we can get NON CITIZENS off it the better


my wife? yes shes Chinese but she isn't from Taiwan or hong kong shes from the PRC, criminals everywhere but im saying though ANYONE from EU can come to UK regardless of they have any criminal record or not... crime rate has risen in London since we had polish arriving so whats next that the Romanian and Bulgaria got to offer? nothing at all, except chaos and disrespect to our land and law,

you wait n see by jan 2014 if we cannot stop it just wait n see most crime these days that happens in UK are done by a NONE CITIZEN


I think most british agree with me what im about to say


WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE
WE DONT KNOW THEM
THIS IS OUR COUNTRY/LAND
AND WE DONT WANT IN EU


Call me stupid for defending the country i was born in but like i say do i need to fear for my family back home when the bulgs come here? you just take a look at 'PAGE HALL ROMA' and you tell me what you think of it?




Tell me am i wrong in my argument? or am i right? (Remember what i said) NOT ALL FOREIGNERS are bad before you make quick judgments.

rebeccajo

Well, since there is no referendum scheduled for NI, probably nothing anytime soon.

I think there will be a united Ireland someday. But I don't think it's coming anytime soon.

Vexcore

Maybe in 40 years or when we're all dead lol

Bud the Wiser

My take on it. Whilst I agree with most posters interpretation of Daily Mail articles, you have to remember that it has one of the highest, if not the highest, circulation and readership in the UK. In other words a helluva lot of people read these articles and have some empathy with them. Now take the recent comments by two leading politicians, Blunkett and Straw, who, rather belatedly, have raised issues about immigration and integration and in particular, in Blunketts case, the concerns regarding integration in Sheffield between the Roma and Pakistani communities and what you have is a simmering undercurrent of resentment that could ignite with the even the smallest incident of confrontation. Anyone who thinks the Page Hall, Sheffield unrest is an isolated incident is sadly deluding themselves. This underbelly of antipathy is replicated throughout many communities within the UK.

Will it become more serious or will it fade into yesterdays news stories? Who knows. What I do know is that it doesn't take much to spark things off, nor does it take much for other communities to join in regardless of whether they have any connection with the original incident.

rebeccajo

I've been thinking about this all day.

I'm married to a "foreigner" - in my country.

Whenever I get over there - I'll be a "foreigner" over there. My husband will be married to a "foreigner".

For years now, I've read immigration forums and watched people debate policy. Vexcore, you aren't the first person I've read - who is married to a "foreigner" - who has similar views to yours. And for all those years, I have felt this same way............

I just can't make myself go there. I can't marry a "foreigner" and feel the way you do. I could never say that stuff in front of my husband. I would be crushed if he said that stuff to me.

It literally makes my heart ache.

Cape Blue

You are wrong in your argument.

London crime has generally fallen across most types over the past 10+ years.

You said:
- so you are saying that "most" of them are coming here to fleece the UK.

You seem to be saying that the Romanians and Bulgarians are people who will offer nothing but criminality.
Whilst I am sure there will be some criminals (as there are in any group of people) I haven't seen anything to say that their criminality will be excessive.
You keep chirping-on about the Page Hall Roma - why don't you tell us what the problem is.

Your argument lacks facts and erroneously extrapolates from small incidents to the whole.