BritInParis

At a minimum the OP could expect to receive an ancestry visa if he can provide evidence that his paternal grandfather was born in Scotland. If he can also the evidence reposted by BEVS then he may already in fact be a British citizen and entitled to a British citizen passport.

For what it's worth I've placed an order through the GRO for the OP's father's consular birth certificate.

spouse of scouse

What an extremely kind thing for you to do, you're a very good egg BiP.

BritInParis

It may or may not exist but it will certainly aid the OP's claim to British citizenship if it does and shows that his grandfather was in Crown service at the time of his father's birth.

Shirtback

I find goins posts very confusing .

*If* he's interested in an ancestry visa, perhaps the following might help:
going on the information given above, I believe that his grandparents (Thomas W & Marie-Blanche D?**) were married in Calcutta 20/7/1908; a record exists*. Their marriage certificate may contain further details which would help trace his grandfather's military rank (& therefore records), &/or birthplace (& therefore birth certificate).

*OP was given this info when he posted a question about his ancestry elsewhere, last year.

** Just to add another possibility to the "puzzle", OP *might* have a claim to French citizenship too ...

BritInParis

This is the marriage record.

Something to consider but probably not a rabbit hole worth going down at this stage.

BEVS

I loves you I does.

I'll do a bit of digging myself later on.

Bless you BiP

goins

I cant thank you all enough, i was talking to my brother and we spoke about what exists, also brother dug some important information such as my G/father was sent to India for the first world war.i do believe

This is the hardship my wife and her Mother would be dealing with,,as long as i have letters from doctors care takers and council which can prove the hardships..this letter would give some weight to the issue.

Article 8 of the ECHR (European Union Human rights) which says

I have considered your rights under Article 8 of ECHR. Article 8 of the ECHR is a qualified right, proportionate with the need to maintain an effective immigration and border control and decisions under the Immigration Rules are deemed to be compliant with human rights legislation. Although you may have a family life with the sponsor, I am satisfied the decision is proportionate under Article 8(2). I am therefore satisfied the decision is justified by the need to maintain an effective immigration and border control.

It has also been considered whether your application raises any exceptional circumstances which, consistent with the right to respect for private and family life contained in Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, might warrant a grant of entry clearance to the United Kingdom outside the requirements of the Immigration Rules.

You have not raised any such exceptional circumstances, so it has been decided that your application does not fall for a grant of entry clearance outside the rules.

I have therefore refused your application because I am not satisfied, on the balance of probabilities, that you meet all of the requirements of the relevant Paragraph of the United Kingdom Immigration Rules.

BEVS

With which regiment?
Any clues you give I can work with.

Where in Scotland do you feel your grandfather was born.

Records are a little confusing as there is a Thomas Waddel born at the right time to a Hugh Ernest Wendel in India .

If BritInParis is able to obtain your Dad's consular records at least the exact name of your grandfather will be hopefully pinned down.

goins

all my brother Julian said grandad's name was Thomas Waddel married Marie Blanche fought in the first world war..and died in India he was born in Scotland in a small village (does not know the name ) i dont even think the village exists,
as for regiment he does not know..

Fathers DOB is 20 sept 1911, Married Marjorie Fernandez DOB 2/0ct 1928



Here is a Thomas Waddel in India.

http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/iofhs.shtml
Thomas Waddel, buried 9 Aug 1942, Calcutta, age 60

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG7J-N8S
Thomas Waddel, born 16 Nov 1881, bapt. 21 Dec 1881, Calcutta, India,
parents Hugh Ernest Waddel & Amelia Jemima

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJG-3SY
Thomas Waddel's 1908 marriage Marie Blanche Desbruslais

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ2-89C
Thomas Waddel's 1915 marriage to Fanny Augusta Waddel

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/
I see some Waddel information also here

BEVS

The village will always exist.

This is Scotland and England. It goes back hundreds of years before.

Did your brother say how your grandfather remained in India?

Pulaski

You're barking up the wrong tree, let it go. You have been repeatedly advised you have a route to an ancestry visa, and even may be a British citizen already. Those are avenues you need to focus on.

goins

Hello Bevs, all i know he died in India, Calcutta, west Bengal... waiting for him to come home from work due to difference in time from perth Australia ...... Ty very much

Yes Pulaski.. i am focusing on that avenue, but i have to keep my options all open, ty very much..

Shirtback

Bevs, I've been doing a bit of digging myself, but don't have access to paid sites.

I have a hunch (& it's nothing more than a hunch), that it might be worth looking at Berwickshire/Border country?

I'm not sure "Hugh Ernest" is the right great-grandfather - his son Thomas's birthdate is off by a few years, according to the marriage record of Goins' grandparents...

ETA: do you have a date/place of death for your grandfather, goins?

goins

Trying to find that,, i also found out he worked and managed the Tala Water Works in calcutta...could be renamed to the Calcutta Water Works...This is my Grand father

Also looking into getting and extract...is possible

http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registr...-the-registers

formula

If that Thomas Waddel born in 16 Nov 1881 and bapt Dec 1881 in Calcutta is your grandfather, then that seems to show he was born in India and not Scotland. What am I missing?

Maybe it was your great grandfather who was born in Scotland? Which according to your link above, was Hugh Ernest Waddel?