EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
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EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
Hi there!
I am a British citizen. My long-term boyfriend is from the USA. We are looking at moving permanently to the UK in the coming years. We are contemplating whether to move under the fiance visa process, or the Surinder Singh route, and are researching both at the mo.
We are pretty clear on the fiance visa stipulations, but have a few questions regarding the Surinder Singh route. What we know about the Surinder Singh route already -
* We have to be married or in a civil partnership
* The British citizen half of the couple (me) must exercise their EEA treaty rights, by moving to and working for a minimum of six months in another EEA country.
* The non-EEA spouse must accompany the British person (me) during this six month period.
* This marriage or civil partnership must exist *before* we move to an EEA country to exercise my treaty rights
* We can apply for an EEA Family Permit as an *unmarried* couple, but must prove we are in a "durable relationship", by providing a record of our living together for at least two years as if in a marriage
That's what we know. Now for our questions -
1) Are the EEA Family Permit process and Surinder Singh process the same thing? How do they differ? How are they the same? (From what we can ascertain, the EEA Family Permit route is a process for *non*-UK folks and their family members only. Surinder Singh is the exact same process, but for **UK citizens** and their family members...is this correct?)
2) Timeline stuff! We have read that unmarried couples can apply under Surinder Singh, so long as they can demonstrate a "durable" established relationship akin to marriage, including living together for at least two years. However, if we were *married* and applying, would we *still* need to demonstrate a two-year previous commitment? We have been together for just over a year only at this point, and are weighing up whether we should get married or not before applying.
3) What is the cost of Surinder Singh? We believe the process to be free. Can anyone confirm this?
Many thanks for any help anybody out there can offer! It's much appreciated!
Kat x
I am a British citizen. My long-term boyfriend is from the USA. We are looking at moving permanently to the UK in the coming years. We are contemplating whether to move under the fiance visa process, or the Surinder Singh route, and are researching both at the mo.
We are pretty clear on the fiance visa stipulations, but have a few questions regarding the Surinder Singh route. What we know about the Surinder Singh route already -
* We have to be married or in a civil partnership
* The British citizen half of the couple (me) must exercise their EEA treaty rights, by moving to and working for a minimum of six months in another EEA country.
* The non-EEA spouse must accompany the British person (me) during this six month period.
* This marriage or civil partnership must exist *before* we move to an EEA country to exercise my treaty rights
* We can apply for an EEA Family Permit as an *unmarried* couple, but must prove we are in a "durable relationship", by providing a record of our living together for at least two years as if in a marriage
That's what we know. Now for our questions -
1) Are the EEA Family Permit process and Surinder Singh process the same thing? How do they differ? How are they the same? (From what we can ascertain, the EEA Family Permit route is a process for *non*-UK folks and their family members only. Surinder Singh is the exact same process, but for **UK citizens** and their family members...is this correct?)
2) Timeline stuff! We have read that unmarried couples can apply under Surinder Singh, so long as they can demonstrate a "durable" established relationship akin to marriage, including living together for at least two years. However, if we were *married* and applying, would we *still* need to demonstrate a two-year previous commitment? We have been together for just over a year only at this point, and are weighing up whether we should get married or not before applying.
3) What is the cost of Surinder Singh? We believe the process to be free. Can anyone confirm this?
Many thanks for any help anybody out there can offer! It's much appreciated!
Kat x
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Re: EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
Hi there!
I am a British citizen. My long-term boyfriend is from the USA. We are looking at moving permanently to the UK in the coming years. We are contemplating whether to move under the fiance visa process, or the Surinder Singh route, and are researching both at the mo.
We are pretty clear on the fiance visa stipulations, but have a few questions regarding the Surinder Singh route. What we know about the Surinder Singh route already -
* We have to be married or in a civil partnership
I am a British citizen. My long-term boyfriend is from the USA. We are looking at moving permanently to the UK in the coming years. We are contemplating whether to move under the fiance visa process, or the Surinder Singh route, and are researching both at the mo.
We are pretty clear on the fiance visa stipulations, but have a few questions regarding the Surinder Singh route. What we know about the Surinder Singh route already -
* We have to be married or in a civil partnership
* The British citizen half of the couple (me) must exercise their EEA treaty rights, by moving to and working for a minimum of six months in another EEA country.
* The non-EEA spouse must accompany the British person (me) during this six month period.
* This marriage or civil partnership must exist *before* we move to an EEA country to exercise my treaty rights
* We can apply for an EEA Family Permit as an *unmarried* couple, but must prove we are in a "durable relationship", by providing a record of our living together for at least two years as if in a marriage
That's what we know. Now for our questions -
1) Are the EEA Family Permit process and Surinder Singh process the same thing? How do they differ? How are they the same? (From what we can ascertain, the EEA Family Permit route is a process for *non*-UK folks and their family members only. Surinder Singh is the exact same process, but for **UK citizens** and their family members...is this correct?)
2) Timeline stuff! We have read that unmarried couples can apply under Surinder Singh, so long as they can demonstrate a "durable" established relationship akin to marriage, including living together for at least two years. However, if we were *married* and applying, would we *still* need to demonstrate a two-year previous commitment? We have been together for just over a year only at this point, and are weighing up whether we should get married or not before applying.
3) What is the cost of Surinder Singh? We believe the process to be free. Can anyone confirm this?
Many thanks for any help anybody out there can offer! It's much appreciated!
Kat x
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Re: EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
Hi there!
I am a British citizen. My long-term boyfriend is from the USA. We are looking at moving permanently to the UK in the coming years. We are contemplating whether to move under the fiance visa process, or the Surinder Singh route, and are researching both at the mo.
We are pretty clear on the fiance visa stipulations, but have a few questions regarding the Surinder Singh route. What we know about the Surinder Singh route already -
* We have to be married or in a civil partnership
* The British citizen half of the couple (me) must exercise their EEA treaty rights, by moving to and working for a minimum of six months in another EEA country.
* The non-EEA spouse must accompany the British person (me) during this six month period.
* This marriage or civil partnership must exist *before* we move to an EEA country to exercise my treaty rights
* We can apply for an EEA Family Permit as an *unmarried* couple, but must prove we are in a "durable relationship", by providing a record of our living together for at least two years as if in a marriage
That's what we know. Now for our questions -
1) Are the EEA Family Permit process and Surinder Singh process the same thing? How do they differ? How are they the same? (From what we can ascertain, the EEA Family Permit route is a process for *non*-UK folks and their family members only. Surinder Singh is the exact same process, but for **UK citizens** and their family members...is this correct?)
2) Timeline stuff! We have read that unmarried couples can apply under Surinder Singh, so long as they can demonstrate a "durable" established relationship akin to marriage, including living together for at least two years. However, if we were *married* and applying, would we *still* need to demonstrate a two-year previous commitment? We have been together for just over a year only at this point, and are weighing up whether we should get married or not before applying.
3) What is the cost of Surinder Singh? We believe the process to be free. Can anyone confirm this?
Many thanks for any help anybody out there can offer! It's much appreciated!
Kat x
I am a British citizen. My long-term boyfriend is from the USA. We are looking at moving permanently to the UK in the coming years. We are contemplating whether to move under the fiance visa process, or the Surinder Singh route, and are researching both at the mo.
We are pretty clear on the fiance visa stipulations, but have a few questions regarding the Surinder Singh route. What we know about the Surinder Singh route already -
* We have to be married or in a civil partnership
* The British citizen half of the couple (me) must exercise their EEA treaty rights, by moving to and working for a minimum of six months in another EEA country.
* The non-EEA spouse must accompany the British person (me) during this six month period.
* This marriage or civil partnership must exist *before* we move to an EEA country to exercise my treaty rights
* We can apply for an EEA Family Permit as an *unmarried* couple, but must prove we are in a "durable relationship", by providing a record of our living together for at least two years as if in a marriage
That's what we know. Now for our questions -
1) Are the EEA Family Permit process and Surinder Singh process the same thing? How do they differ? How are they the same? (From what we can ascertain, the EEA Family Permit route is a process for *non*-UK folks and their family members only. Surinder Singh is the exact same process, but for **UK citizens** and their family members...is this correct?)
2) Timeline stuff! We have read that unmarried couples can apply under Surinder Singh, so long as they can demonstrate a "durable" established relationship akin to marriage, including living together for at least two years. However, if we were *married* and applying, would we *still* need to demonstrate a two-year previous commitment? We have been together for just over a year only at this point, and are weighing up whether we should get married or not before applying.
3) What is the cost of Surinder Singh? We believe the process to be free. Can anyone confirm this?
Many thanks for any help anybody out there can offer! It's much appreciated!
Kat x
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Re: EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
Fewer months or self-employed (as long as it is 100% legal activity in the host country) may still be OK.
Not sure about "things similar to marriage"; they will be OK as to a UK perspective but the host country might refuse based on national laws. I suspect some countries will be cool with this and some others will not.
Last edited by holly_1948; Jan 17th 2013 at 1:56 pm.
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Re: EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
The non-EEA family member must obtain a Residence Card for the host country, which may take up to 6 months from application. Therefore, you may need to stay longer.
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Im confused about the "self employed" requirement. Without any employment offer you can set yourself up as self employed, but do you need to show that you have generated an income from this, or just showing say a piece of paper showing you are registered as self employed.
Do you have to show tax returns etc to prove you have been self employed?
Do you have to show tax returns etc to prove you have been self employed?
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Re: EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
Im confused about the "self employed" requirement. Without any employment offer you can set yourself up as self employed, but do you need to show that you have generated an income from this, or just showing say a piece of paper showing you are registered as self employed.
Do you have to show tax returns etc to prove you have been self employed?
Do you have to show tax returns etc to prove you have been self employed?
The Family Permit application (for the non-EEA partner to move to the UK after the EEA partner has worked the 6 months in the first EU country) seems to support this, though it doesn't spell it out:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...ily-permit.pdf
Maybe someone else can confirm this?
Last edited by WEBlue; Jan 18th 2013 at 10:53 am.
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Good questions. It's my impression (based on my own research on S Singh) that the key to this route is paying income tax into the first EU host country's tax system. If this is true, that means the self-employed person must generate income and pay the EU country's tax on that income in order to be exercizing EU Treaty Rights properly so as to be able to move to the UK under S Singh.
The Family Permit application (for the non-EEA partner to move to the UK after the EEA partner has worked the 6 months in the first EU country) seems to support this, though it doesn't spell it out:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...ily-permit.pdf
Maybe someone else can confirm this?
The Family Permit application (for the non-EEA partner to move to the UK after the EEA partner has worked the 6 months in the first EU country) seems to support this, though it doesn't spell it out:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...ily-permit.pdf
Maybe someone else can confirm this?
Massive unemployment in continental Europe would not encourage me to relocate to the EU and become self employed.
Sound like a big waste of money and time
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Re: EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
Just for information the rules around the time spent in the EU are a bit vague, but given you do not need to show you are economically active until after you have been in the UK for 3 months, for defendants of EU nationals from other countries, would think at least 3 months would be required
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But for young couples with no children, little work experience and low income or savings opportunities (for instance artists, musicians, writers, etc.) the S Singh Route could be the only way they could ever have a chance to move to the UK, as PennyinI says.
But this route does require a lot of study to carry out properly, and some nerve too, as well as a confidence that the UK will remain part of the EU....
Last edited by WEBlue; Jan 18th 2013 at 12:55 pm. Reason: grammar
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Re: EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
Im confused about the "self employed" requirement. Without any employment offer you can set yourself up as self employed, but do you need to show that you have generated an income from this, or just showing say a piece of paper showing you are registered as self employed. ...
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Last time I was in Cyprus I noticed many Uk citz working there in the bars etc
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Re: EEA Family Permit / Surinder Singh process - quick questions!
Thinking about the logistics side of things again.
Could I go to, say, Dublin by myself, work etc and then move on to the UK, then my wife arrive in the UK direct from Mexico? Or do we both have to travel together to Ireland and on to UK?
And about the kids, they would have British passports but my wife would have a Mexican one. Can she still travel with them or would we face problems at the entry port?
Could I go to, say, Dublin by myself, work etc and then move on to the UK, then my wife arrive in the UK direct from Mexico? Or do we both have to travel together to Ireland and on to UK?
And about the kids, they would have British passports but my wife would have a Mexican one. Can she still travel with them or would we face problems at the entry port?
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For proof, go to this page of UKBA and click open the bolded question at the bottom, "Can British citizens' family members enter and reside in the UK under European law?"
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eu...uments-family/
However, the European Court of Justice held in Case C-370/90 that British citizens can rely on European law in circumstances where they are returning to the UK in order to work or settle here in a self-sufficient capacity after working in another European Union state. In these circumstances, the returning British citizen has the right to be accompanied by his or her husband, wife or civil partner, if they have previously been living together in the other European Union state.