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Old Sep 28th 2017, 6:49 am
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My daughter who is a British Citizen (naturalised) just recently moved back to UK with her 5 year old daughter. My daughter is attending University in Belfast, her daughter is attending elementary school. Registered with Doctor but now NHS say they need visas? I can understand paperwork for her daughter but not my daughter who is a citizen. She took out a loan to go to university there to do her masters. Is living in my home in N.Ireland, therefore needs no place to live. I live in the USA and I have dual citizenship but go back there every year for 3 months. What has she got to do to get right. We thought everything was good but she has been there 6 weeks and settling in. Paying her own way with a loan. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you
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Which passport(s) did they travel to the UK on?
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My daughter who is a British Citizen (naturalised) just recently moved back to UK with her 5 year old daughter. My daughter is attending University in Belfast, her daughter is attending elementary school. Registered with Doctor but now NHS say they need visas? I can understand paperwork for her daughter but not my daughter who is a citizen. She took out a loan to go to university there to do her masters. Is living in my home in N.Ireland, therefore needs no place to live. I live in the USA and I have dual citizenship but go back there every year for 3 months. What has she got to do to get right. We thought everything was good but she has been there 6 weeks and settling in. Paying her own way with a loan. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you
Presumably your daughter has an UK passport, UK naturalisation certificate. As BIP posted...did she enter the UK using a UK passport? If not she entered as a visitor...not a UK citizen.

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Old Sep 28th 2017, 12:35 pm
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Yes, my daughter used her British Passport when she entered the UK. I brought her daughter over a few days later and used my granddaughter's American passport. We couldn't all travel together. My daughter arrived at Belfast, we arrived at Dublin.
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My Granddaughter is an American citizen.
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..... I brought her daughter over a few days later and used my granddaughter's American passport. .....
There's the problem!
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My Granddaughter is an American citizen.
Is she also a British citizen?
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When and how did your daughter become a British citizen?
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Originally Posted by BritAmer1999
My daughter arrived at Belfast, we arrived at Dublin.
Thank you for your reply.
Did you cross over into NI by road? I assume then that the UK authorities are unaware of your granddaughter being in the UK?
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By the sounds of it the NHS is quite correct - your granddaughter needs a visa to live in the UK as she is an American citizen and not a UK one.

You granddaughter is in the UK as a visitor and therefore not eligible to use the NHS.

Was your daughter a UK citizen prior to her having her child? If not, then getting your granddaughter UK citizenship may be be more difficult.
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By the sounds of it the NHS is quite correct - your granddaughter needs a visa to live in the UK as she is an American citizen and not a UK one.

You granddaughter is in the UK as a visitor and therefore not eligible to use the NHS.

Was your daughter a UK citizen prior to her having her child? ......
That's a good question, but I believe the balance of probibilities is that the daughter was born after her mother acquired British citizenship by naturalization, and therefore the (grand)daughter is a British citizen, and the issue is that she entered on a US passport. .... But until we know if the daughter was born after her mother became British, or even if the (grand)daughter's father was British other than by descent, then we're all guessing.
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Did you cross over into NI by road? I assume then that the UK authorities are unaware of your granddaughter being in the UK?
As part of the UK-Ireland common travel area, don't British and Irish immigration control share data?

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Not clear whether daughter has "moved back" merely to attend university in the UK or to become habitually resident. If the former, wouldn't there also be a question of her eligibility for NHS services?
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
There's the problem!

Is she also a British citizen?
No she is not a British citizen.
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Originally Posted by BritAmer1999
No she is not a British citizen.
So does she have any visa entitling her to live in the UK with her mother?
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
There's the problem!

Is she also a British citizen?

No grandaughter is not a uk citizen. Daughter was naturalised when she was 17 years old. Daughter had child when she was 23. Daughter says she wants to permanently live in N. Ireland where there is family.
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Originally Posted by BritAmer1999
No grandaughter is not a uk citizen. Daughter was naturalised when she was 17 years old. Daughter had child when she was 23. Daughter says she wants to permanently live in N. Ireland where there is family.
So unless I am missing something, the (grand)daughter is a British citizen, because the granddaughter was born after her mother naturalized, and naturalized British citizens do, automatically pass on British citizenship to their children no matter where the birth occurred in the world.
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