P.R.China, any advise?
Aug 26th 2008, 2:35 pm
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Re: P.R.China, any advise?
erexchen - nice try to redeem yourself, but your original point was not based on the location of the employer but based on where the salary was paid. Two completely different issues. Stick to the non-tax legal work 吧。
Dutchie - just because the salary is paid into an offshore account does not mean its tax free. If you are resident in China i.e spend more than 183 days a calendar year there you need to declare it to the tax authorities. if you didnt the chinese tax authorities could easily pick up on that because its being remitted overseas by a chinese company. Anyway this is academic seeing as the offers off.
Dutchie - just because the salary is paid into an offshore account does not mean its tax free. If you are resident in China i.e spend more than 183 days a calendar year there you need to declare it to the tax authorities. if you didnt the chinese tax authorities could easily pick up on that because its being remitted overseas by a chinese company. Anyway this is academic seeing as the offers off.
Aug 27th 2008, 1:35 am
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Re: P.R.China, any advise?
I think the real reason that Dutchie didn't go to China is that he was worried that everyone would pass him on the left hand side.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Aug 27th 2008, 3:08 am
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Re: P.R.China, any advise?
erexchen:
Somehow I think you're the one that doesn't understand, not me. If you read Dutchie's original post it's clear (at least how he's phrased it) that he's not employed by an overseas company which is sending him to china for a project, but rather he would have been employed by the local company on contract.
Also in your original post you made no mention of the fact that Chinese tax payable is dependent on the number of days he resides in China. You made a blanket statement that any tax paid offshore is not subject to tax without any qualification - highly misleading i thought.
What i have always said is that if he spends more than 183 days in china, the salary paid offshore will still be taxable in China. Do you not agree with that?
Also, just a semantic point but under a double tax treaty any overseas tax you suffer is not "exempted" but is relieved by being offset against the tax liability in the other country.
Tony
Somehow I think you're the one that doesn't understand, not me. If you read Dutchie's original post it's clear (at least how he's phrased it) that he's not employed by an overseas company which is sending him to china for a project, but rather he would have been employed by the local company on contract.
Also in your original post you made no mention of the fact that Chinese tax payable is dependent on the number of days he resides in China. You made a blanket statement that any tax paid offshore is not subject to tax without any qualification - highly misleading i thought.
What i have always said is that if he spends more than 183 days in china, the salary paid offshore will still be taxable in China. Do you not agree with that?
Also, just a semantic point but under a double tax treaty any overseas tax you suffer is not "exempted" but is relieved by being offset against the tax liability in the other country.
Tony
Sep 17th 2008, 6:33 pm
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Dec 18th 2008, 2:40 pm
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Re: P.R.China, any advise?
(A) Does anyone have any experience with transferring a work and residents visa from one employer to an other while in China? I've been searching the internet but can hardly find anything on the subject.
Not terribly difficult. Make sure you keep all that stuff about the 20k paid overseas out of the official papers or you'll be paying tax on it.
(B) Is US$3500 paid out in local currency enough to live off for one month in China? Keeping in mind I'm not really a club or bar guy. I would be living and working just outside of Beijing.
Yes. However your main question is that if you are in a position so high-level that a company is willing to pay you US$20k a month, will the work permit authorities believe US$3.5k is all you are getting? Beef the US$3.5k up in your contact by adding housing allowances and stuff. A housing allowance is tax deductable if it's in your contract, as are medical expenses, and flights home. Do get a car and driver if you can. A car on its own is useless. You want a nice new Buick GL8 (known as a "gee ell baa") and a driver. You don't want to drive in China. If you have to get taxis and you already speak Chinese, don't forget to run all your words together and add "er" to all nouns.
(C) Is there a large expat community / hot spots in Beijing?
Yes. There are many large expats in Beijing and they have indeed formed a community. Ring the British Chamber and ask to speak about The Hash. Make sure it's not the Public Security Bureau you're ringing or there could be some confusion.
Not terribly difficult. Make sure you keep all that stuff about the 20k paid overseas out of the official papers or you'll be paying tax on it.
(B) Is US$3500 paid out in local currency enough to live off for one month in China? Keeping in mind I'm not really a club or bar guy. I would be living and working just outside of Beijing.
Yes. However your main question is that if you are in a position so high-level that a company is willing to pay you US$20k a month, will the work permit authorities believe US$3.5k is all you are getting? Beef the US$3.5k up in your contact by adding housing allowances and stuff. A housing allowance is tax deductable if it's in your contract, as are medical expenses, and flights home. Do get a car and driver if you can. A car on its own is useless. You want a nice new Buick GL8 (known as a "gee ell baa") and a driver. You don't want to drive in China. If you have to get taxis and you already speak Chinese, don't forget to run all your words together and add "er" to all nouns.
(C) Is there a large expat community / hot spots in Beijing?
Yes. There are many large expats in Beijing and they have indeed formed a community. Ring the British Chamber and ask to speak about The Hash. Make sure it's not the Public Security Bureau you're ringing or there could be some confusion.
Mar 10th 2009, 7:47 am
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Re: P.R.China, any advise?
Hi,
I'm not a British national, but have been offered a short term project in the P.R.China for six, perhaps eight months. I've been searching the internet but can hardly find any info on the questions I have. Basically my package offered is as follows:
(1) US$ 20.000,= per month (US$ 3.500 paid out in China in local currency per month, which is subject to taxes, but can't find any data on the actual tax rates itself. US$ 16.500,= transfered directly from the US into my European none resident account)
(2) Company paid apartment and car if wanted (Although have been warned driving a car there is a major headache)
(3) By contract, once I'm finished with this project I'm given a month paid to either find an other job in China, or leave.
My questions are:
(A) Does anyone have any experience with transferring a work and residents visa from one employer to an other while in China? I've been searching the internet but can hardly find anything on the subject.
(B) Is US$3500 paid out in local currency enough to live off for one month in China? Keeping in mind I'm not really a club or bar guy. I would be living and working just outside of Beijing.
(C) Is there a large expat community / hot spots in Beijing?
Dutchie
I'm not a British national, but have been offered a short term project in the P.R.China for six, perhaps eight months. I've been searching the internet but can hardly find any info on the questions I have. Basically my package offered is as follows:
(1) US$ 20.000,= per month (US$ 3.500 paid out in China in local currency per month, which is subject to taxes, but can't find any data on the actual tax rates itself. US$ 16.500,= transfered directly from the US into my European none resident account)
(2) Company paid apartment and car if wanted (Although have been warned driving a car there is a major headache)
(3) By contract, once I'm finished with this project I'm given a month paid to either find an other job in China, or leave.
My questions are:
(A) Does anyone have any experience with transferring a work and residents visa from one employer to an other while in China? I've been searching the internet but can hardly find anything on the subject.
(B) Is US$3500 paid out in local currency enough to live off for one month in China? Keeping in mind I'm not really a club or bar guy. I would be living and working just outside of Beijing.
(C) Is there a large expat community / hot spots in Beijing?
Dutchie
I have travelled to China. $3,500 a month Yankee is defenitely more than enough to live in China. You will NOT have to eat the cheap MSG infested dodgy 3 RMB (fifty cents) noodles like I did. You can go eat at the high quality restarants which are more edible than the streetstall food that will make you throw up. (talking from experience).
Make sure you take a nice digital camera so you can take pictures of signs, as copying Putonghua is impossible. My attempt failed as I drew those untelligible scripts so poorly it looked nothing like what they can recognize. The only foreigner I found writing it out with any success was a Japanese backpacker I met who got around Chengdu with greater ease than I. I ended up having to follow him to see various exhibits.
The locals often live on about 800 Yuan a month. (About $120.00 USD)
Even I being a frugal bastard as everyone knows,
had to spend 2000 RMB a month to live in China. But you will have no problems in China with that much money.
Mar 10th 2009, 7:49 am
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Re: P.R.China, any advise?
(A) Does anyone have any experience with transferring a work and residents visa from one employer to an other while in China? I've been searching the internet but can hardly find anything on the subject.
Not terribly difficult. Make sure you keep all that stuff about the 20k paid overseas out of the official papers or you'll be paying tax on it.
(B) Is US$3500 paid out in local currency enough to live off for one month in China? Keeping in mind I'm not really a club or bar guy. I would be living and working just outside of Beijing.
Yes. However your main question is that if you are in a position so high-level that a company is willing to pay you US$20k a month, will the work permit authorities believe US$3.5k is all you are getting? Beef the US$3.5k up in your contact by adding housing allowances and stuff. A housing allowance is tax deductable if it's in your contract, as are medical expenses, and flights home. Do get a car and driver if you can. A car on its own is useless. You want a nice new Buick GL8 (known as a "gee ell baa") and a driver. You don't want to drive in China. If you have to get taxis and you already speak Chinese, don't forget to run all your words together and add "er" to all nouns.
(C) Is there a large expat community / hot spots in Beijing?
Yes. There are many large expats in Beijing and they have indeed formed a community. Ring the British Chamber and ask to speak about The Hash. Make sure it's not the Public Security Bureau you're ringing or there could be some confusion.
Not terribly difficult. Make sure you keep all that stuff about the 20k paid overseas out of the official papers or you'll be paying tax on it.
(B) Is US$3500 paid out in local currency enough to live off for one month in China? Keeping in mind I'm not really a club or bar guy. I would be living and working just outside of Beijing.
Yes. However your main question is that if you are in a position so high-level that a company is willing to pay you US$20k a month, will the work permit authorities believe US$3.5k is all you are getting? Beef the US$3.5k up in your contact by adding housing allowances and stuff. A housing allowance is tax deductable if it's in your contract, as are medical expenses, and flights home. Do get a car and driver if you can. A car on its own is useless. You want a nice new Buick GL8 (known as a "gee ell baa") and a driver. You don't want to drive in China. If you have to get taxis and you already speak Chinese, don't forget to run all your words together and add "er" to all nouns.
(C) Is there a large expat community / hot spots in Beijing?
Yes. There are many large expats in Beijing and they have indeed formed a community. Ring the British Chamber and ask to speak about The Hash. Make sure it's not the Public Security Bureau you're ringing or there could be some confusion.
Mar 19th 2009, 5:05 am
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Re: P.R.China, any advise?
Some time back a poster in the Middle East section said Dutchie had in fact died. So I guess he will not be able to reply unfortunately.
